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"superpug your remark about good american planes winning you the war HA HA HA HA HA a good pilot in a a6m could whoop your american planes bellybutton with a good pilot in it. your little american planes spin out and die when they start turning faster than 1 degree per minnute meanwhile the hurri 2c (my plane) can turn very quickly and is very whell armed (not a single mg on it all cannons) you guys only won your war because you decided to take a superfortress (why dont they have those in this game) and vapourised hiroshima. and whoever was complaining about getting on someones tale and they just dive and get away isnt that the point                            there not going to sit there and let you line up and blast em. you gotta learn how to aproach them and when they dive and then continue going in the same direction you just keep on flying instead of following them and when the straiten yout you dive on there bellybutton and blast them. actually i think the hurri 2c is becoming a more "dweebish" plane than the spits because it can turn and then you just hit em twice and down they go. thanks to the hurri 2c ive been getting over 5 kills a day most of wich are all one after another (i love it when people gat all lined up and i can get behind em aand blast them one after another with ease as they have weakend  each other in there fighting)
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 sorry for babbling on and on and on i get a bit carried away. anyway all the posts after the second page are completly off topic and hitler could have won the war if he had destroyed england first (send all his bombers and bomb out london then send his fleet of ships to invade) but no he has to be a typical evil geneus and do something totally stupid. whoops there i go again.


So, I hope that most youths don't think this way..:eek:
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So, I hope that most youths don't think this way..:eek:


They need constant reminding.  I'm still amazed to hear that "Hitler could have won if he'd invaded England" line, though.  Betcha he also thinks that Hitler would have won the war if he'd produced the Me-262 as a fighter and not a bomber!

Now that I think of it, though....

...a lot of Southerners talk the same way about the Civil War.....

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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2002, 01:15:49 PM »
the worlds full of idiots.Best you can do is try not to BE one :D

this guy sounds real young and i doubt hes had proper history lessons yet.Hell it took me years to discover the truth about the war and im STILL learning new stuff all the time.Cant blamea wet behind the ears youngster for getting the wrong impression.When we are young we pick up our info mostly from movies!! This is why its SO wrong to portray total nonsense on them.Its a poerfull medium and should be recognised as such.
typical recent examples?
braveheart
U571
Pearl harbour

William wallace the peacefull man embittered by the death of this love fighting the english oppressors.Finally dieing the true hero with a cry of Freedom!!. Well im half english half scottish and unfortunately this film although a great movie is absolutely full of roadkill.Ask a 10 year old about that part of history? he'll almost recount the script word for word instead of reading the actual history.He he the real william wallace was a warrior and as much a murderer and killer as the English he fought.

U571. The depiction of the brave american crew who capture the enigma allowing the allies to crack the codes and win the war!.
Again the real story is fantastic and makes for a great movie.But its total BS again.A British destroyer captured it, the codes were broken at bletchly park in the UK and shared with the US.You guys broke the Japanese codes and should have made a damn film about that.Can you imagine if the English made a movie saying we cracked that and saved your tulips from them? again ask a kid who found the enigma machine and he recounts it as the film did.Only later as he learns the real event will he change his veiws.

Pearl harbour? well if ever there was a film that diminished the real bravery of those men and turned what was one of the most important events of the twentieth century into a farce of nonsense ive never seen it! Those fights in the aircrafts! Still again Fantastic effects but ruined by the drivel and crap in the story told.This was history and any change to it is like spitting on the graves of those brave men who died in it.

As you can see i get really worke up on this sort of thing and the reason? well just read what that kid said.It takes years of education and an open mind(hopefully) to really undo what this sort of thing portrays.
Hey its not the end of the world and yes this is meant to be oure entertainment but why use the real events at all? why? because the REAL events fascinate people and draws in the BUCKS.
I say make the movie truthfull however painfull.The drama of the real events are far more 'entertaining' and facinating than some fairy tale.
now saving private ryan, although 'based' on a true event I think handled the events really well.We saw the horror of the landings.We felt the emotion of the soldiers.Saw weaknesses, bitterness.Although not 'realistic' in many places it at least attempted and i think to a good extent succeeded to impart some real feelings and emotions.It never tried to put tom hanks into anyhing approaching the rediculous hero type we saw in pearl harbour.
Das boot again, a fantastic film because it showed how desperate the situation really was.Showed that luck played its role and showed again the waste of war.another great movie.
compare this to U571 lol.

its a shame we have such nonsense in movies.I can understand weaving a fairy tale love affair into a film based around real events.but not a fairy tale based around lies and well, almost propaganda and sometimes biggotted propaganda in bravehearts case.

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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2002, 01:36:02 PM »
What I find disheartning is the way most european countries and japan teach ww2 history in their schools.

its pitiful. we get no respect at all for what we did during and after.. our motives are smeared, our efforts after the war ignored. truly pitiful. no wonder lil kids grow up over there thinking we're all toejamheads.

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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2002, 02:01:53 PM »
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What I find disheartning is the way most european countries and japan teach ww2 history in their schools.

its pitiful. we get no respect at all for what we did during and after.. our motives are smeared, our efforts after the war ignored. truly pitiful. no wonder lil kids grow up over there thinking we're all toejamheads.

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We do the same thing to the Russians. I think the real trick is to try not to buy into our own Jingoism... that goes for ALL nations, not just a select few.

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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2002, 02:49:59 AM »
Oh and about the whole Hitler thing wanting  the 262 to be a bomber instead of a fighter was not the primary reason for it to be delayed it's because of the unreliable engine caught fire ussually thus  delaying it's introduction at say June of '44.

Even then when they worked out the bugs you couldn't really  ram the throttle like piston engines fighters because they either seized or caught fire thus the really slow spool up in AH.

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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2002, 09:43:39 AM »
Hangtime i took history in senior school and the Americans are given their dues mate!

Its a very accepted point that without America the Germans would have beaten us eventually even after the battle of britain.
It was just that, a battle not the war.

Then again America is an ally wheresas countries nearer the russians were taughtit was them that stopped the Germans, and for them its absolutely true.

Im curious as to the smeared motives bit. what are you refering to?

I think you guys are overly sensitive to the european type of criticism.We tend to talk about what you guys(and ours) did wrong rather than right.BUT dont be distracted by it.We remember what was done FOR us.And we remember the sacrifice and appreciate it even up to the newest generations.You only have to see the memorials and museums to see that.

America seems to need everyone to be their friend and to keep on telling them how good they are.well yes you are good on the whole but like every country you have your faults

p.s.(If I may say one thing you guys are well known for this trigger happy behaviour.Many incidents in WW2. It crops up quite frequently.even in desert strom your guys killed more of my countrymen than the enmey did.This is no small matter to a nation as a whole.We all realise its war and things happen, and we dont blame.but it does grate the teeth thinking about it.They were the best of our nations people and were killed by a failure in communication and tendancy to fire first ask questions later.When i saw the film of the incident with the actual voice recording during the attack the commanders 'take em out' statement spoken like john wayne is not a good thing.)
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2002, 10:26:39 AM »
"U571. The depiction of the brave american crew who capture the enigma allowing the allies to crack the codes and win the war!.
Again the real story is fantastic and makes for a great movie.But its total BS again.A British destroyer captured it, the codes were broken at bletchly park in the UK and shared with the US.You guys broke the Japanese codes and should have made a damn film"

I agree but,

Atleast they put the disclamer at the end of the film that said the Brits did it first and more often then the Americans. The Americans did capture their own enigma machine btw, just not the first one.

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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2002, 10:59:20 AM »
If I recall.... didn't U571 also list all the missions which captured enigma machines at the end of the movie? Anyhow, if you get your history from the movies, be prepared to be wrong a lot.
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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2002, 07:06:59 AM »
Whos gonna make a movie about the codes the Germans broke that enabled them to intercept the Ploesti raid?
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2002, 08:31:12 AM »
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Whos gonna make a movie about the codes the Germans broke that enabled them to intercept the Ploesti raid?

I don't know, who's going to make a movie about the brave crew of a German submarine during the war in the Atlantic?



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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2002, 02:50:45 PM »
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the worlds full of idiots.Best you can do is try not to BE one :D

this guy sounds real young and i doubt hes had proper history lessons yet.Hell it took me years to discover the truth about the war and im STILL learning new stuff all the time.Cant blamea wet behind the ears youngster for getting the wrong impression.When we are young we pick up our info mostly from movies!! This is why its SO wrong to portray total nonsense on them.Its a poerfull medium and should be recognised as such.
typical recent examples?
braveheart
U571
Pearl harbour

William wallace the peacefull man embittered by the death of this love fighting the english oppressors.Finally dieing the true hero with a cry of Freedom!!. Well im half english half scottish and unfortunately this film although a great movie is absolutely full of roadkill.Ask a 10 year old about that part of history? he'll almost recount the script word for word instead of reading the actual history.He he the real william wallace was a warrior and as much a murderer and killer as the English he fought.

U571. The depiction of the brave american crew who capture the enigma allowing the allies to crack the codes and win the war!.
Again the real story is fantastic and makes for a great movie.But its total BS again.A British destroyer captured it, the codes were broken at bletchly park in the UK and shared with the US.You guys broke the Japanese codes and should have made a damn film about that.Can you imagine if the English made a movie saying we cracked that and saved your tulips from them? again ask a kid who found the enigma machine and he recounts it as the film did.Only later as he learns the real event will he change his veiws.

Pearl harbour? well if ever there was a film that diminished the real bravery of those men and turned what was one of the most important events of the twentieth century into a farce of nonsense ive never seen it! Those fights in the aircrafts! Still again Fantastic effects but ruined by the drivel and crap in the story told.This was history and any change to it is like spitting on the graves of those brave men who died in it.

As you can see i get really worke up on this sort of thing and the reason? well just read what that kid said.It takes years of education and an open mind(hopefully) to really undo what this sort of thing portrays.
Hey its not the end of the world and yes this is meant to be oure entertainment but why use the real events at all? why? because the REAL events fascinate people and draws in the BUCKS.
I say make the movie truthfull however painfull.The drama of the real events are far more 'entertaining' and facinating than some fairy tale.
now saving private ryan, although 'based' on a true event I think handled the events really well.We saw the horror of the landings.We felt the emotion of the soldiers.Saw weaknesses, bitterness.Although not 'realistic' in many places it at least attempted and i think to a good extent succeeded to impart some real feelings and emotions.It never tried to put tom hanks into anyhing approaching the rediculous hero type we saw in pearl harbour.
Das boot again, a fantastic film because it showed how desperate the situation really was.Showed that luck played its role and showed again the waste of war.another great movie.
compare this to U571 lol.

its a shame we have such nonsense in movies.I can understand weaving a fairy tale love affair into a film based around real events.but not a fairy tale based around lies and well, almost propaganda and sometimes biggotted propaganda in bravehearts case.


Right on, Hazed.

Even in such a great film like "Saving Private Ryan", they had to have that line that Ryan says at the end "Look, P-51's..tank busters, sir".  Ugh! ;)

I think the best war movie of all time based soley on historical accuracy is probably "Tora, Tora, Tora!"

But my vote for best all-around war film for realism still goes to "Das Boot".

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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2002, 09:45:13 PM »
If the P51 was carrying 500 or 1000 pound bombs I would call it a tank-buster too!  In fact, I know of several missions flown in support of the D-day landings by P51s where German tanks were attacked and destroyed.

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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2002, 01:18:13 PM »
you know what pisses me off is when people start complaining about me and my veiws i have a right to feel whatever i want about the war. i havent seen braveheart or pearl harbour or anything like that my entire veiws on this have come completly from books i form my own opinions and if they dont agree with the opinions and ideas that some adults have ground into there minds that thats just tough hitler made alot of mistakes in the war and america would never have entered the war if the japs hadnt been so stupid as to attack pearl harbour. so just stop it. anyway i get carried away in the heat of the moment sometime especially when someone makes a comment that is really really biased to america you americans g oaround like the kings of the world half the time they forget that they wernet the only ones to suffer in ww2 and ww1. how many of you know about the indian corps huh not that many i can tell. trust me i know about them they were also know as "the forgotten army" mostly because they are completly ignored half the time. they did push the japs out of india most american kids and a few adults thimk they were the only ones who fought the japs HA. what about the australians they fought them to. and just what is the truth about the war huh that the americans won the war single handedly no that seems to be the ideas of the americans but us canadians know better. and i never saw saving private ryan either my dad was born 4 years after the war and he doesn want me watching CRAP about hte war like that.

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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2002, 01:55:04 PM »
"you americans"??

So based on the ignorant jibberish you're posting, I could say "all canadians don't know a lick of history?"

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