Perk/ENV discussions aka. lies, lies and statisics :)

[Soda]

Quote by Montezuma;

The 190A8 is much easier to handle than the mustang

Wow, what are you smoking because I should get some.  The 190A8 is an armed dumptruck as compared to the P-51.  The P-51 handles FAR better in all respects other than roll-rate.  You can snaproll a 190A8 into the ground just as easy, if not more so, than a P-51.  The 190A8 also is terribly heavy when packing the big gun packages, it tends to want to pancake out when you try and pull up at higher speeds near the ground.  It's no contest though, the P-51 is superior in almost every important way.  Equal pilots in both the 190A8 can't dictate the fight in any way and it's only a matter of time before the P-51 eats it alive.

I've flown a lot of 190A8 and some P-51.  I use the 190A8 as a ground attack plane because I like strafing stuff on the ground with the bug guns.  To say it is better than a P-51 though is incorrect.  It's only hope against a P-51 is to force an HO (which the P-51 can typically avoid).  The P-51 does get a lot of rookie pilots though, that's why it's K/D ratio suffers.

-Soda

[Montezuma]

Originally posted by Soda
Quote by Montezuma;
 
Wow, what are you smoking because I should get some.  The 190A8 is an armed dumptruck as compared to the P-51.  The P-51 handles FAR better in all respects other than roll-rate.  You can snaproll a 190A8 into the ground just as easy, if not more so, than a P-51.  The 190A8 also is terribly heavy when packing the big gun packages, it tends to want to pancake out when you try and pull up at higher speeds near the ground.  It's no contest though, the P-51 is superior in almost every important way.  Equal pilots in both the 190A8 can't dictate the fight in any way and it's only a matter of time before the P-51 eats it alive

-Soda

Relative to other planes, they are both dumptrucks.  But the 190A8 has a very easy stall and spin compared to the mustang.  Have you ever gotten into a spin at altitude that you couldn't get out of in a 190A8?

In a duel between the two I would expect the mustang to win, but in the MA the 190A8 should be able to get more kills than the mustang on each sortie.

[Lephturn]

Originally posted by J_A_B
In other words, I'm fairly satisfied with the current planeset/perkset.  I've got nothing against those who would like change, but really, wouldn't it be best for everyone if those who want something different asked for these changes to be placed in the CT or some other completely new arena?    Why is there a need to exclude people?

J_A_B

I'm also quite happy with the way HTC runs things at the moment.  It works quite well.  I'm not going to get into the rest of the pointless arguing.

But, thanks for the great info FD Ski!  It is very interesting to know how the planes stack up based on ENY vs. kills and such.  Very nice.

Oh, and one more thing I'd like to point out.  Any plane that can fullfil a Jabo type roll effectively will have much higher usage simply for that multi-role capability.  Due to the Ami planes being reallly good at attack roles generally, it does tend to skew the usage numbers for those fighters, especially for planes like the Jug.

[AKSWulfe]

That's simply not true Montezuma.

If an AI pilot was flying them, then yes, a 190A8 could get more kills.... vulching. While it may have a superior gun package, that's all it's got except for roll rate.

I have yet to be able to drop a notch or two of flaps in a turn to get an extra boost to bring my guns in targets in the A8... but I can do that at will with the P51D and B.

You never get into an unrecoverable spin in the A8 because the entire flight you are pretty much in an uncontrollable trash truck with wings. Your only hope is to fly straight and pray you don't have to turn, because when you do, you won't turn very fast.. if you try to force it to, you'll be upside down with tracers flying around you before you know it.

I can get the same # of kills in a P51B as in a 190A8, that's only 4x .50s. How in the world can someone not get more kills in the P51D than the 190A8 if they fly it smart?

If we throw pilots into the situation, then there's no contest the P51D can return home with more kills so long as a really good pilot is behind the stick. Same with the 190A8.

But if you stick a newbie in a 190A8, and then stick him in a P51D... he'll stay with the P51D because it's much easier to handle and dropping a notch of flaps will remedy any wing snap stalls.
-SW

[Soda]

Relative to other planes, they are both dumptrucks

Bull.

The P-51 is a very good turner, especially at high speeds, but even at lower speeds it is good.  That's not even taking into account the maneuvering flaps that it has that make the 200-350mph range even that much better.  Sustained turn in a stall fight at 150mph though it isn't that great.  Still, it's FAR better than a 190A8 at any speed.  The 190A8 is far easier to snap stall too, I've never done that in a P-51.

If you are comparing the P-51 to the Spit or N1K in a stall speed fight, then yes, it isn't a great turner.  Then again, if you are fighting Spits and N1Ks in a P-51 at stall speeds then you've fallen into the trap and you'd P-51 will soon be shot out from under your butt.

Enough on this topic though, the thread was about perks/OBJ values...... if we wanna discuss 190A8 vs P-51 then start a new thread.

-Soda
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