So what is this "Islam" ?

[SirLoin]

Thnx Staga...great thought provoker..

[~Caligula~]

So you see, Voss, Gunherz and Caligua, this is the wrong thread for you. We were talking theology, not the justification of why Israel has invaded the West Bank. There's half a dozen threads for you to spew about the vileness of Arabs and your opinions on people of color, so go post over there.

On this tread I have only one post,and that`s only saying that I aggree with someone.
What`s so bad about that?

[Voss]

I'm STILL doing research on Islam (intending to reply ontopic), but I was wondering the same thing, Cal.

[SirLoin]

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[-tronski-]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So it's a problem within Islam. You can wax all poetic about how "peaceful" islam is supposed to be yet all we see from that religion today is violence and religios nutcases blowing themselves up.  And this comes from a guy who thinks the Israelis are are nearly on a nazi level against the Palestenians.

There is a problem with islam today, they used to be cultured, moderate in views especially concerning other religions and generally well behaved. They are not so today.

Christians are supposed to be peaceful right?
So what about Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland.

The problem isn't Allah, its killing in the name of God.

 Tronsky

[~Caligula~]

Majority of christians are mellow nowdays.
The days of the inquisition are long over,and people trying to convert others to follow Jesus might be annoying at times,but not dangerous or harmfull in any way.
Jews don`t want to convert anyone,in fact it`s really hard to convert to judaism.
Muslims think their way of living is the only way,and the western civilisation is rotten,therefore needs to be destroyed.
Their leaders are affraid,that it might seem more fun for the average Abdul to look at porn on the internet,than pray 5 times a day.They see us as a treat to their culture and faith.
The reason they can`t get over it is that they think we think like they do.Tolerance is unknown to them.They belive we want to go over their land and force our laws and ways upon them.
In fact we do,but is it so bad to have human rights and so on?
They don`t want all that,they just wanna live as they were in the 12th century.So they declare Jihad and whatnot,and kill as many of us as they can,and see it as a battle of David and Goliath.

Yes I think they need to be done away ,they need to be killed by the thousands,they need to be taught not to diddly with us.
They will understand nothing less,after all they have a middle age mentality,when the law of the sword was the only law.
They want to live by that law,and their only way of communication is trough violence.You can kid yourself that a new conference will bring peace ,and that the west will make them understand that terror is bad.But that will not happen.They just think in a totally different way the western people do.And that`s what WE need to understand.

[Staga]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~

Yes I think they need to be done away ,they need to be killed by the thousands,they need to be taught not to diddly with us.
They will understand nothing less,after all they have a middle age mentality,when the law of the sword was the only law.
They want to live by that law,and their only way of communication is trough violence.You can kid yourself that a new conference will bring peace ,and that the west will make them understand that terror is bad.But that will not happen.They just think in a totally different way the western people do.And that`s what WE need to understand.

Quite racist opinions you have, Caligula.

[-tronski-]

They just think in a totally different way the western people do.And that`s what WE need to understand.

What an arrogant and idiotic statement.  

Christians are quite happy and able to force their views, and are more than capable of violence. Northern Ireland aside, ever heard of christian fundamentalists killing doctors who work in abortion clinics? Or religious compounds like Waco, and the Branch Dividian??
Your assumption  that no Muslim radical follows the tenets of Islam that Staga so correctly posted, works both ways, in ALL religions.

The second biggest religion in the Middle east is Christianity, with approx 14.5 million followers, with the largest being the Coptic Orthodox church with 6.7 miillion followers, followed by the Catholic church.
Lebanon has the largest percentage with approx 49% of the population being christian, UAE with 20%, and Oman 15%. Egypt has the largest population of christians with 7.3 million followers.

 Tronsky

[Krusher]

"Anyway, civilizations come, civilizations go... I wonder who will be "ruling the world" in 500 years... the chinese perhaps?"


A communist regime has a snowballs chance in hell of ever "ruling" the world. But then in 500 years they may be a democracy, who knows.

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by Thrawn
YA!  Find your own thread ya bums!!  Get the hell out of here!

Holy crap!  It's getting so the liberals can't even find space to breath on this board.

Ya, what Thrawn said!! Actually it's not a liberal vs. conservative issue, at least in my opinion, but hell, some guys here see EVERY thread as liberal vs. conservative- "Hey, you like Labs?" "Yeah, but I have an ACD." "Liberal huh?"

And seeing EVERY thread as liberal vs. conservative, or pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian, tends to make people look like they have an agenda. Fact is there's a whole bunch of threads dealing with the Middle East, and Islam has nothing to do with terrorism, so why are we discussing that on this thread?

Also if you want to claim that racist Caligua as one of your own, a conservative, well....

[Thrawn]

One of MY own?

I'm wear the label liberal with pride.  I think you're confusing me with another Thrawn.

Seriously I think the conservatives on this board would go into shock if anyone confused me with them.  Pro choice, anti-capital punishment, etc. here.

[~Caligula~]

Call me racist all You want.I don`t give a damn.
I make up my oppinion based on what I see in the world.
Eversince I remember I`ve allways heard of muslims blowing up planes,buses,kidnapping people,nervgasing armies and civilians etc.
Just causing trouble period.
I`m not saying there aren`t arabs who just want to live in peace,but those very arabs need to speak up,and fight their own maniacs.Or else the same will happen to them as what happened to the german people some 70 years ago,only on a larger and bloodier scale.

[Voss]

Islam is a religion.

My religion differs from Islam.

I'm prejudice, too.

I hate everyone.

Well, I like Harry Calahan (fictitious though he may be). I went looking for that famous wave file from a Dirty Harry movie, but I couldn't find it.

You know the one:

Det:Harry hates everyone.
Harry's Partner: Even Latino's?
Det: Ask him!
Harry's Partner: Harry?
Harry: (names various ethnic slurs)

When I need a laugh I visit:

http://www.the-dirtiest.com/

But, on the issue of Islam, there seems to be something a bit juvenile about a religion that promises virgins in Heaven. I mean, there would have to be a lot of women dying awfully young, or Allah must be creating an awful lot of Virgins to keep the supply up. Somehow, I just don't think things like sex are going to matter in Heaven. But, I'm dwelling on only one aspect of the religion. Jihad. I don't believe Allah would have expressed Jihad as a major issue of his religion, except as a mindset to spiritual purity. AVOIDING war, and strife, makes sense.

It looks like this is just another case of a religion that has been modified through history (as many have including mine), but not for Godly reasons in the case of Islam.

Where is tolerance in their teaching?

Overall, the religion seems to follow tenets of the region, I.E. the construct of the religion overall is very male oriented. That may be typical of all religions, in the archaic, but by now most have overcome this.

But, I'm a Christian and don't buy it anyway.

Prejudice, bigotted, hypocritical... whatever.

[Dowding]

Prejudice, bigotted, hypocritical...

Yup!

[Staga]

Originally posted by Voss
But, on the issue of Islam, there seems to be something a bit juvenile about a religion that promises virgins in Heaven.

Did you read that first post ?

"7. The promise of "70 or 72 virgins" is fiction written by some anti-Islam bigots."