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So what is this "Islam" ?
« on: April 11, 2002, 07:57:50 PM »
After recent happenings in middle east and around the world I started to wonder what is this Islam?
Here's something I found:
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Some of the Islamic Terms:

-Islam means a commitment to live in peace through submission to the Will of God (Allah).
- Muslim is a person who makes a commitment to live in peace through servitude to Allah.
-Jihad means "struggle" and "strive" against evil thoughts, evil action and aggression against a person, family, society or country. Jihad may be a "justifiable war", borrowing the Christian term.
-Mujahid is a person who engages in Jihad for the sake of Allah according to the Qur'an (Muslim's source book for guidance) and Sunnah (the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, Peace Be Upon Him). Mujahideen is the plural of Mujahid.
-"Islamic terrorism". There is no such phrase or term in the Islamic source books of the Qur'an or the Sunnah and has no place in Islam.
-Sunnah. Sunnah is the preferred way of the Prophet Muhammad that includes his teaching. The sources of the Sunnah are authentic Hadith (reports of the Prophet's sayings, doings and approvals) collections.

The True Meaning of "Jihad":

Jihad is usually associated with Islam and Muslims, but in fact, the concept of Jihad is found in all religions including Christianity, Judaism and political/economic ideologies, such as, Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, etc. Islam defines Jihad as striving and struggling for improvement as well as fighting back to defend one's self, honor, assets and homeland. Also, Jihad is interpreted as the struggle against evil, internal or external of a person or a society.  Jihad, in Islam, means doing any or all but not limited to the following:

1.  Learn, teach, and practice Islam in all aspects of one's life at all times to reach the highest and best education in order to benefit oneself, family and society.
2.  Be a messenger of Islam everywhere, in every behavior and action.
3.  Fight evil, wrongdoing, and injustice with all one's power by one's hand (action), with one's tongue (speech), or at least with one's heart (prayer).
4.  Respond to the call for Jihad with money, effort, wisdom and life; yet, never fight a Muslim brother, a Muslim country, or a non-Muslim society that respects its treaties and harbors no aggressive designs against Islam or Muslims.
5. Suicide under any pretext is not condoned as Jihad in Islam.
6. Converting people to Islam by force or coercion is never Jihad but a crime, punishable by law.
7. The promise of "70 or 72 virgins" is fiction written by some anti-Islam bigots.

The Levels of Jihad:

1.  A personal struggle within one's self to submit to Allah, fight evil within one's self, achieve higher moral and educational standards - Inner Jihad.
2.  Jihad against evil, injustice and oppression within one's self, family and society - Social Jihad.
3.  Jihad against all that prevents Muslims from servitude to God (Allah), people from knowing Islam, defense of a Muslim society (country), retribution against tyranny, and/or when a Muslim(s) is removed from their homeland by force - Physical Jihad or an armed struggle .


The Qur'an defines physical Jihad as being the highest level of Jihad that one can undertake. Its reward is eternal Paradise. Muslims also know that all humans are accountable for what they have done during their life on this earth. Muslims will be asked about what they did with their lives and their level of submission to Allah on the Day of Judgment.

Does  Jihad mean Holy War?

In Islam, there is no such thing as holy war. This terminology was generated in Europe during the Crusades and their war against Muslims. Islam recognizes Jews and Christians as the "People of the Book" because they all follow the Prophet Abraham, believing in Moses' and Jesus' teachings. For many centuries, Muslims have peacefully coexisted with Christians, Jews, and people of other faiths, maintaining social, business, political and economic treaties. Islam respects all humans and faiths as long as there is no religious oppression, forbidding Muslims from serving Allah, preventing others from learning about Islam, and not respecting treaties.

[/b]Who is authorized to call for Jihad as a war?[/b]

Jihad must be performed according to Islamic rules and regulations and only for the sake or in the service of Allah. The physical or military Jihad must be called by a Muslim authority, such as, a president or head of a Muslim country after due consultations with the learned leadership.

What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?

The term "terrorism" does not exist in the Qur'an or the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad. If the terms "terrorist or terrorism" are derived from a verb used  in the Qur'an, such as 5:33 describing a "Muslim's" terrorist acts, it is in condemnation and prescribes most severe punishment. Islam is a religion and a way of life that does not separate politics from religion. Islam is a religion of mercy, unity and most importantly peace with one's self and others, to defend not to fight.
Allah said in His Book the Qur'an:

"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes, that you should show them kindness and deal justly with them. God loves just dealers."(Qur'an 60:8)

"Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not begin aggression. for God loves not aggressors." (Qur'an 2:190)

"If they seek peace, then seek you peace and trust in God for He is the Hearer, the Knower." (Qur'an 8:61)

"… and let not the hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is next to piety; and fear Allah, for Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." (Qur'an 5:8)

"But (remember that an attempt at) requiting evil may, too, become an evil: hence whoever pardons (his foe) and makes peace, his reward rests with Allah- for, verily He does not love transgressors." (Qur'an 42:40)

"The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he between whom and thee there was enmity, (will become) as though he was a bosom friend. (Qur'an 41:34)

Some of the Prophet Muhammad's Teachings (Sunnah):

1.  He prohibited Muslim soldiers from killing women, children and the elderly, or cut a palm tree, and he advised them, "… do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child."
2.  "Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years."
3.  "The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed." Killing is the second major sin in Islam.
4.  "Truly your blood, your property, and your honor are inviolable."
5.  "There is a reward for kindness shown to every living animal or human."

Islam and Human Rights:

1.  The Qur'an and Sunnah encourage Muslims to respect the life and property of all mankind.
2.  In an Islamic State these rights are considered sacred, whether a person is Muslim or not.
3.  Islam protects honor, forbids insulting others, and/or making fun of them.
4.  Islam rejects certain individuals or nations being favored because of their wealth, power, and/or race.
5.  All Muslims believe that Allah created all humans free and equal, only to be distinguished from each other on the basis of God-consciousness or piety and never on the basis of race, color or ethnicity.

 Islam is a practical religion that respects all human beings and it was revealed for all mankind.  Its message is that of peace and submission to Allah. Muslims believe in all the Prophets mentioned in the Bible, and the Qur'an. The Qur'an shares many moral teachings of the Old Testament  and the New Testament. These three religions (and their books) were founded upon the revelations by One True God, Allah.
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So what is this "Islam" ?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2002, 08:42:31 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2002, 09:31:18 PM »
Thats all fine and dandy Staga but the fact is the diddlyers were dealing with are all muslims, and they call themselves jihadis- themselves not we.

So it's a problem within Islam. You can wax all poetic about how "peaceful" islam is supposed to be yet all we see from that religion today is violence and religios nutcases blowing themselves up.  And this comes from a guy who thinks the Israelis are are nearly on a nazi level against the Palestenians.

There is a problem with islam today, they used to be cultured, moderate in views especially concerning other religions and generally well behaved. They are not so today.

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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2002, 10:35:12 PM »
I know several people who pratice Islam and they are a hell of a lot closer in the way they pratice their religion to Stega's description than they are to your description, Grunherz.

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2002, 10:46:23 PM »
You're generalizing, Grun, but you're not far off the mark. It's not all Muslim's though.

Do you see the anti-Israel bias in our own media? I would never have thought that ANYONE in the U.S. (save PLO members) would support Palestinians in this debacle. It is because Palestinians are killing Jews that they are using Islam as a reason. It's not about Arab religion, though. It's about killing Jews. If Arafat had no religion, he would still be killing Jews. Why?

I think it's a class struggle. I'm not an Anthropoligist, but it seems apparent that Palestinians are the scum of the Arab world. Well, perhaps Kurds are lower in their eyes, but after the Kurds are gone (very nearly so now), the Palestinians will hold that title. Palestinians are in a struggle for respect amongst their Arab peers. If, you look at this with that in mind, I think things become a little clearer.

It's not about land. It's not about Islam. It's about killing Jews. How that will gain Palestinians respect amongst Arabs is something only an Arab can answer. The real danger for Palestinians is in faliure.

There are Arabs living in peace in Israel. Israeli's allow them full citizenship, allow them to vote in elections, and treat them as one of themselves. Does that surprise you?

There are NO Israeli's living amongst Arabs (outside of Israel). Does that surprise you?

Would it surprise you to find out that Arabs sided with Hitler in WWII? Hmm, I wonder what that says about them?

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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2002, 12:49:15 AM »
This thread is about Islam, the religion, and what it teaches. Personally I know several people who are from the Middle East who have immigrated here for the same reason anyone immigrates here- for a better life. I don't buy that crap that Moslems are all evil or that Palestinians are subhuman. They are people just like we are. They want the best for their families, and the best for themselves. Do you really believe the average Arab citizen lives to give his life for the extermination of Western society?

The Arab League sees our War on Terrorism as a War on Islam, and listening to you two guys makes me second guess the motive for the vast support President Bush has in dealing with this issue. Are we trying to bring terrorists responsible for 9-11  to justice, or will we use this, as Israel seems to be doing, as an excuse to kill Arabs?

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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2002, 01:19:09 AM »
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It's not about land. It's not about Islam. It's about killing Jews. How that will gain Palestinians respect amongst Arabs is something only an Arab can answer. The real danger for Palestinians is in faliure.

There are Arabs living in peace in Israel. Israeli's allow them full citizenship, allow them to vote in elections, and treat them as one of themselves. Does that surprise you?

There are NO Israeli's living amongst Arabs (outside of Israel). Does that surprise you?

Would it surprise you to find out that Arabs sided with Hitler in WWII? Hmm, I wonder what that says about them?
 


Thank You Voss..
No one could have said it better.

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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2002, 02:31:07 AM »
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Would it surprise you to find out that Arabs sided with Hitler in WWII? Hmm, I wonder what that says about them?


You bloody fool. Half of Western Europe sided with Hitler during WW2, not to mention the upper hieracrchy of the Catholic church, the leadership of many occupied countries etc. Get a damned clue.

To make out Arabs are inherently untrustworthy is as unjustified as saying all Jews are, say, money-grabbing or any other stereotype you wish to use. It's lunacy of the highest order.

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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2002, 02:46:11 AM »
""For many centuries, Muslims have peacefully coexisted with Christians, Jews, and people of other faiths, maintaining social, business, political and economic treaties.""

so, what about the moors invasion of spain????

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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2002, 05:40:58 AM »
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so, what about the moors invasion of spain????


The jewish communities of Spain flourished under moorish rule.

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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2002, 05:46:22 AM »
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There are Arabs living in peace in Israel. Israeli's allow them full citizenship, allow them to vote in elections, and treat them as one of themselves. Does that surprise you?


That really surprised me 'cause last time I heard it was really hard to get "full citizenship" thus those Arabs aren't able to vote. Also in Israel's scholar system Arab schools are suffering 'cause of lack of fundings.

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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2002, 05:50:49 AM »
I would like to hear what our Spanish players thoughts are about Moors and what happened in Spain in those times?

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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2002, 06:22:47 AM »
Good synopsis of the history of the Sephardic (Spanish) jews can be found Here

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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2002, 06:41:37 AM »
A guide to live in peace and love one another as brothers...

or a reason/excuse for ignorance, hate and murder.

Just as Christianity was/is at one time or another for others.

It's the "free will" part that screws it up for some ...
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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2002, 06:42:18 AM »
Staga. Unluckily my english it's very poor. But I can say what at midle age, the moors of Spain had a society (economy, medical,  etc etc) more advanced and tolerant what christians kindongs.
You can lose lots of hours playing AH, if you try learn the history of Spain from S VIII to S XVI.