Author Topic: Things shown on TV (Read 1471 times)

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #15 on:** April 13, 2002, 08:54:48 PM »

I belive Sharon`s election came as a last resort for the israelis.
He was called upon to do the dirty work.He knows and doesn`t care that he`s considered a war criminal.He is a man who`s willing to sacrifice himself and take the blame for the people of Israel.
Talks had been going on for many years without any result.
Arab armies and terrorists just kept coming trying to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.There`s no mistake taken in seing what`s the arabs real intention is.
So Sharon was elected and given a free hand to go play hard ball.
After all, since he`s invasion there are lot less terror attacks,many key terrorists caught,weapons and explosives seized,bomb factories destroyed.And Arafat finally condemned terrorism...even if only to save he`s position.I don`t think that will stop scuicide attacks,but it will show Arafat has no control,and palestinians need a real leader who knows what he`s doing.
I can`t tell You how much longer he`s going to be in office,but I don`t belive it`s going to be much longer.
When it`s time to sit down to do talks,Sharon will step aside.
But while it`s still time to kick arab bellybutton (sad but true) he`s the right man to do it.

Voss · « **Reply #16 on:** April 13, 2002, 09:40:21 PM »

I know it might seem that things are cooling down over the next few weeks, but keep your head down anyway. I wouldn't be trusting the situation at face value ever again, after all the trouble you've seen recently. Frankly, I don't know how Israeli's show the temperance they do.

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #17 on:** April 13, 2002, 09:45:20 PM »

I`m not there Voss,I live in CA now.But I`m about to move there and start a new life as soon as I can get my paperwork done.

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #18 on:** April 13, 2002, 10:00:07 PM »

On a sidenote:

Israeli highschool kids take a trip to Poland to see first hand what happened to their ancestors.They visit the camps,and experience the horror that is beyond all imagination.
What it teaches them,is not to let it ever happen again.
Not to ever wait for other people to come and save You.
Not to ever walk into gas-chambers like sheep.
We are a people who`s been the subject of pogroms,discrimination,and mass extermination.
Since the fundation of Israel,arabs been hell bent on trying to destroy her and the jews who live there.We can`t wait for others to save us,because they just might not come.
Should we just accept the fact that we must die,and be nice to our murderers,so they can do it confortably?
I don`t think so.It won`t happen.

NEVER AGAIN

Voss · « **Reply #19 on:** April 13, 2002, 10:08:06 PM »

In California, you REALLY need to keep your head down!

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #20 on:** April 13, 2002, 10:22:47 PM »

I`m not affraid.
Even thogh there was a man walking he`s dog the other day,wearing a kipa.He was attacked by an arab right on the street.Nothing major,but might be a sign of things to come.
This happened just a few blocks away from here.
I`m not scared,but still worried for the women and childeren of the community.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #21 on:** April 13, 2002, 11:24:59 PM »

dont suppose you have a cite on that one ? seems like it would make the news. or did you hear it at the synagogue?

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #22 on:** April 14, 2002, 12:47:37 AM »

It did make the news.
It was both on channel 10 news,and in the Sacramento Bee.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #23 on:** April 14, 2002, 04:30:45 AM »

http://www.sacbee.com

need your help i did a search under kipa,yarmulka, jew, arab attack even dog and nothing at all. not saying your a liar but can you help me find the artical?

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #24 on:** April 14, 2002, 12:34:57 PM »

Here You go

StSanta · « **Reply #25 on:** April 14, 2002, 01:10:17 PM »

Sometimes I wonder whether the culture coming from the middle east differs vastly on the area of war/enemies.

In Europe, we've fought two world wars. Both times, the Americans have been drawn in. In the latest bout, it took the combined effort of the 'free world' to destroy an unequaled tyranny.

Yet here we are, 60 years laters, all pals. Sure, Danes will make jokes about the German tourists who make bunkers on our beaches to protect themselves from the wind, but it stays like that. There's no hatred between nations.

Denmark and Sweden were at war for some 142 years since the 1300's. That's pretty much I think, yet today the worst punches that are thrown are usually over soccer games or which beer is the best.

What I am saying is that with some exceptions, reconciliation has been possible in Europe.

Yet in the middle east, this seems to be utterly impossible.We see very little reconciliation. Afghanistan is a big maybe, today it's very polarized and divided between tribal lines.

I wonder if there exists a culture of reconciliation in thje middle east as there is in Europe. Before such a one is in place, I cannot see how there can be peace at all.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #26 on:** April 14, 2002, 01:24:56 PM »

thanks caligula. scary read.

Dowding · « **Reply #27 on:** April 14, 2002, 01:26:58 PM »

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You know, the one thing about this conflict, that recurs more than anything else, is parables from the past.

They do if people are making points based on 'I met this bloke down the pub who spent some time with [Insert Ethnic Group]. He said they were a bunch of dirty thieves.'

I.e. you will always find people ready to say negative things about any group of people, from every period of history.

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Reporters are resorting to hearsay when they can't get into areas. This is an extremely ineffective way to discern truth. It's not surprising, though, as that's how it is done these days. It's a poor way to do their job, though.

There was a report form BBC reporters who got into Jenin on the news last night. They went around the destroyed, collapsed buildings found some bodies and described the stench of death that pervaded the area.

The Israelis say they have only killed militant gunmen.

The Palestinians say a civillian massacre has occured.

I believe the truth lies somewhere in between.

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #28 on:** April 14, 2002, 02:12:10 PM »

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The Israelis say they have only killed militant gunmen.

The Palestinians say a civillian massacre has occured.

I believe the truth lies somewhere in between.

Palestinians refuse to clean up the dead bodies off the streets.
They know it`s bad publicity for the IDF.They booby-trap and load up houses with explosives (their bomb factories were in civilian houses) and fight a house to house battle,with civilians still inside those houses.The scucide bomber in the ambush where 13 israeli soldier died,was a 10 years old child.
I wasn`t there ,but someone told me soldiers were screaming at eachother to shoot at the kid,but none could bring themselves to kill him.He blew them up,and all died in the end.
This is horror beyond all imagination.
Even when Hitler was sending kids to battle,he told them to fight,not to die for sure.
This shows just how much they value human life,and what kind of enemy Israel is cursed to fight.

Today on CNN a palestinian pschycaetrist when asked if scuicide bombers were considered heroes by the general population.
He said "Yes.Our martyrs are like the unknown soldiers of the USA in WWII and Vietnam.We don`t have planes and tanks,our martyrs are the only weapon we got"
So even the educated palestinian sees nothing wrong with this madness.And he even has the gutts to compare these murders to the people who died for freedom and democracy.

Thrawn · « **Reply #29 on:** April 14, 2002, 02:12:13 PM »

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Originally posted by ~Caligula~

NEVER AGAIN

What if it is happening again...in the West Bank?