POLL: How many of you want the buffs changed?

[MrSiD]

Thats right, let's see how many of the participants of the UBB think that:

a) The buffs are barely surviving as is, the guns and the bombing should be left alone if not improved..

b) The buffs are ridiculous killing machines, precision bombing and hyperleathal turret guns should be brought to more realistic levels..


If HTC works with the ideal of democracy, the winning opinnion should be taken into consideration.

[Suave1]

As it is now buffs are ridiculous killing machines that require no escorts . People say that if we make buff guns realistic nobody would fly them in the MA . Buff gunners in AW were relatively ineffective, and a lone buff was dead meat just like wwII. However attacking a buff meant exposing yourself to it's escort fighters . Another even more important reasons to tone down buff guns is scenario play . Imagine being in a group of fighters tasked with intercepting a formation of 40 or so AH b17's . The bombers would kill more fighters than fighters would, how absurd is that .

[TheWobble]

B


The bomb modeling is such that calling it a simulation is laughable.

Add the effects and WIND, DRAG and DRIFT. and teh hyperaccuracy will be replaced by a more realistic effect.

Also increase the bomb damage effects, a 1k egg landing 10 feet from an osti and not damaging it retarded..

and a 100 pound bomb making the same size crater of tha 4000 pounder speaks for itself...


Bullet FM is paid so much attention to and modled so accuratly, while the bombs are...well they way they are makes no sense..

We have WW2 bombs that are more accurate than any bomb or missle in existance today.  yet cause almost no damage unless they directly hit the target..

DECREASE accuracy
INCREASE damage

PRESTO the first step towards realistic bomb modeling.



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[Fidd]

Status quo.

Fidd

[DamnedATC]

The only change I would like to see is the ability to add more than 1 gunner to the bombers.  

There is plenty of porking already occuring.

ATC

[straffo]

No change please.
They blow nicely whe you setup your attack carefully...
hint :
Alt + speed + jinking a bit == TheBomber.blow()  

I've a great respect to the bomber pilot it's a dificult task to do.

The only trouble is the strato bomber ... but the G10 hanlde nicely this job (I call it my F104 emulator  )

[Suave1]

Just a note HTC did improve the blast radius of the bombs a couple of versions ago . Speaking from my own experiences, 1k bomb has to miss pretty badly not to kill a gv . The blast radius of a 1k bomb is larger than it's crater . But the farther away the bomb lands from target the less damage it does. My biggest beef is with the guns, they are really going to hurt the scenario experience, and to me scenarios are more important than the MA .

[Mickey1992]

A

Someone who takes the time to get the advantage in a fighter will consistantly take down a bomber.  Sit on a bombers 6 at .8K and you will die every time.

So far in tour 15, the B17 has shot down 2163 fighters, and has been shot down 2679 times by fighters.  I don't think a kill ratio of a little over .8 is unreasonable.

And are we only talking about the B17?  Surely people can't be asking for the guns on the TBM or JU88 to be toned down, are they?  

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Mickey
3./JG2 "BigJoe's Bastards"

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[Squidzilla]

They're fine

[Ripsnort]

Its tough for a developer to ride the fine line of "Easy enough for a newbie, challenging enough for a veteran".

Leave them as is, but add more bomber types.  

[Suave1]

Yes a kill ratio of .8 is unreasonable, infact it is glaring evidence of how crazy buff guns are . Especially considering that most kills are from lone bombers . Some fighter planes don't even have a kill ratio that good . A split second of gunfire from a buff turret shouldn't be able to dismember  a fighter plane that is over 1/2 a kilometer away . Again I am most concerned with the effect this will have on scenarios .

[Pepe]

• Real size for craters, for each type of bomb, with a adjusted to real life blast radius and living for longer period as damage in the target.
• Norden sight working more in the line WB did. Time to adjust, and deny violent jinkenbankenpushenthursterwer kenmanouveren (i.e. no fighter pilot wannabes)

I think that would be fair enough to increase Buff flying interest.

Cheers,

Pepe

[Eagler]

A

Eagler

[NHFoxtro]

Originally posted by Pepe:

• Real size for craters, for each type of bomb, with a adjusted to real life blast radius and living for longer period as damage in the target.
• Norden sight working more in the line WB did. Time to adjust, and deny violent jinkenbankenpushenthursterwer kenmanouveren (i.e. no fighter pilot wannabes)

I think that would be fair enough to increase Buff flying interest.

      I agree with Pepe on this. Also being able to add more gunners would be nice. Also I stoped comming up behind them or undernieth unless there was very little time to get them out of thier bomb site. I find attacking from the port side or the other very effective with one pass to down the bombers.

[TheWobble]

Why is it that people would rather F**ck up the bomb sight to decrease the accuaracy than make the bombs behave realistically... they would have the same effect.

Bombs that dont have
WIND
DRAG

is just plane DUMB

how can you have anything that is supposed to even resemble a WW2 sim and not modle those 2 things..

as to why some people would rather f**k up the bomb sight insted of just making the bombs behave realistically is beyone me..

Make the whoopee bombs BEHAVE like bombs...not like some kind of damn super space bomb that doesent obey {b]ANY[/b] of the laws of physics accept gravity..and that is almost a joke like the rest.

just implement a simple setting that makes the bombs drift x number of feet off center for every x amound of feet they fall

As it for ever 1000 feet the bomb falls it will drift 2 fet off center... each bomb will drifet different distances..

That way alt 10-20 k bombers can still be very effective against trgets AS THEY WERE IN REAL LIFE
but at 25k-35k + they have a very hard time hitting exact targets AS THEY WERE IN REAL LIFE

as far as bombs needing to be super accurate because there are no mass formations..thats stupid..show me a single target that would require a mass formation of bombers to Severley damage it...the DAMN HQ is the toughest target in the game and what does it take  WOOHOO 2 lancasters  whoopty toejam...

the stupid CITY can be destroyed with just 1 bomber.. so saying we need super accurate bombs because we dont have mass formations is STUPID because there is no target that 1 bomber cannot severly damage.

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