You make me sick.
Coming from someone who has stated he would like to kill Arabs, I'll take that as a complement.
a) there were no Israeli army before the state of Israel was created, and
The Haganah was the de facto Israeli army, before the founding of the state of Israel.
When the IDF proper was formed, it was merely a name change from the Haganah, although Haganah is still part of the name (Tzava Haganah Yisrael)
The Haganah had a strength of approx 45,000 men prior to the ending of the British mandate and the founding of Israel.
b) the arabs attacked Israel within 6 hours of the creation of the nation.
The IDF have their own website, with a history section.
The first sentence of the first article is
"A unique feature characterizing the first phase of the War of Independence up to May (1948) was the "battle for the roads." "
So for the IDF the war had begun before the Arab armies invaded, before independence.
Tiberias, Haifa, Jaffa and Jerusalem were towns that were in the areas granted to the Palestinians under partitioning. Before Israel declared independence, before any Arab armies invaded, Tiberias, Haifa and Jaffa had been conquered and most of the Arabs driven out, and the Israelis had driven a wedge through Palestinian territory to Jerusalem.
Some day there will be peace. By the way things are going right now, I suspect that will only happen after the Israelis decide that enough is enough and empty the west bank of Palestinians one way or the other.
Considering your views, I am sure that is a very enjoyable prospect for you.
The problems are too great for it to happen, however.
Firstly, the vast majority of Israelis wouldn't support it. They know there history, and images of people being rounded up and driven off in trucks wouldn't go down well with them.
Secondly, it wouldn't go down well with the rest of the world.
You can't evict 3 million odd people without causing a humanitarian disaster, with many thousands of the old and young dieing, not least from lack of water in the Middle East.
Thirdly, none of the surrounding Arab states would welcome the refugees, any more than the US would conive at ethnic cleansing of Canada by welcoming displaced Canadians.
It really is not possible to give the Palestinians a country of their own. Why? Several reasons, most notably:
1. They dont seem to want one, unless they get their rediculous demands met..and that wont happen.
The Palestinians rediculous demands presented at the Taba talks were:
96.9% of the territory of the West Bank.
Control of water sources inside their own territory.
Control of their external borders.
Agreement to an international presence to monitor their military.
Control of their own immigration policies.
The only points of contention with the Israelis were:
Israel offered 94% of the West Bank
Israel wanted control of all water sources
Israel wanted control of Palestinian external borders.
Israel wanted several corridors running through Palestinian territory, splitting it up into 3 blocks.
Under the current Iraeli leadership, none of the above would happen. Sharon has stated as recently as Monday that even the most isolated Israeli settlement is as important to him as Tel Aviv, and not to be given up. He has said he will never allow a Palestinian state, only areas of self rule on some matters.
2. Examples of (1) is the status of Jerusalem, water rights (kinda important in a country mostly filled with sand), the rights of palestinian refugees to return (to what, one might ask) etc etc
The right of return was all but settled, with around 10,000 Palestinians a year allowed to return to their property in Israel, providing Jewish immigration is a larger figure. ie if only 5000 Jews arrive in Israel, less than 5000 Palestinians will be allowed to return that year.
Water rights are the dispute, with Israel wanting to continue their consumption of 250 litres per person per day, and wanting to continue restricting the Palestinians to 50 litres per person per day.
The status of Jerusalem was also agreed upon, with East Jerusalem being the Palestinian capital, West Jerusalem the Israeli capital.
Of course, none of thi remains on the table with Sharon in charge, and if the hisory of the Oslo accords are anything to go by, any agreement would have been renaged upon by a right wing Israeli government.
3. The security issues. It is not possible to make deals with the arabs, it is not possible to trust the arabs, you simply cannot. These people have their own agenda (no Israel in mid east), and they seem to use any method possible to advance their goals.
Oh I agree, the filthy untermensch.
The Hezbollah claimed that the only reason they fought the Israelis was because of the injust and illegal occupation of southern Lebanon. "Leave us alone and we will leave you alone" they said. (The left in Europe and the US supported them naturally...after all, all they wanted was to be free and not-occupied by the Israelis)
SO
The Israelis withdrew from southern Lebanon. And guess what happened next? Yup, the shelling of Israeli villages and towns within reach has started again.
Hezbollah are controlled by Syria. The current fiction for the dispute is some farmland, that Israel claims is Syrian territory, Syria and Lebanon claim is Lebanese territory.
Israel occupies the farm land along with the Golan heights, that Syria wants back. Syria is using Hezbollah to attack Israel to keep the issue of the Golan open.
Hezbollah themselves are also motivated by a sense of solidarity with the Palestinians, as can be seen by the fact that cross border attacks often coincide with Israeli attacks on the Palestinians.
You cannot trust these people, there is no way to achieve peace with these people, and they will not stop...ever. They are like Terminator on steroids, and they are ready to do just about anything (be it suicide bombers or other terrorist actions) to achieve their goal...to rid the world of Israel.
THe same was said of the Sinai. It was vital to the defense of Israel. The Egyptians would just take it back and use it to launch more attacks on Israel.
Irael gave it back, and have had peace with Egypt ever since.
However, follow your racist beliefs to their logical conclusion.
You can't make peace with the Arabs. Israel has to expel the Palestinians to Jordan, and settle the West Bank.
The Palestinains, Hezbollah etc will keep on attacing Israel.
Israel has to occupy parts of Lebanon and Jordan to stop cross border attacks.
Occupation brings a steady death toll amongst Israeli troops doing the occupying. That's why they pulled out of Lebanon.
So Israel can't occupy the countries bordering them, but they can't let any Arabs live on their borders. What's your solution to this little problem?
I know, kill all the Arabs!
And (as usual) history is bound to repeat itself. Now the Israelis have crushed the Palestinian infrastructure, and guess what..the suicide bombings have pretty much stopped...Which is kinda weid, because the terrorist organizations should not be dependent on the Palestinian infrastructure in order to function now should they..?
Hmm...gee...I wonder why the terrorist activity has pretty much dissapeared after the Israelis have dismantled the Palestinian "government" and "security" forces.
Soon the US will force Israel to pull back from the Palestinian towns, and soon humanitarian aid will start to flow back into Palestine..and soon the terrorists will start killing Israeli civilians again.
So, rather than the Palestinian infrastructure being destroyed, it sounds more like the suicide bombers have stopped because the Palestinians are still under curfew, liable to be shot if they go outdoors breaking the curfew, can't travel about because Israel has called up 40,000 reservists.
Israel is in a financial crisis caused by the operations in the West Bank. They have just introduced emergency taxes, and are looking at stopping child benifit to Israeli Arabs as one of the cutbacks they can make (Jews of course will still get the benifit)
In other words, Israel can't maintain the clamp down, and as soon as they go, suicide bombings are likely to resume. God knows the Palestinians have even more cause to hate now than they did.
