Shooting spree in German High School

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Shuckins
 The Israelis are very practical in their approach to handling that type of violence.  They TRUST their law-abiding citizens to handle weapons in a sane and sensible fashion.

In the U.S., on the other hand, the opposite is the truth.  
Regards, Shuckins

Not so everywhere in the US. Texas allows it law abiding citizens the right to carry a concealed weapon provided you attend the required training classes and pass the qualification test. I've never owned a handgun but the license is on my list of things to get.

[Toad]

Well, Elf... according to what the Navy told me that would have been immaterial in any event.

Although my parents were in fact married to each other, it seems that ANY type of marriage document with either one of the applicant's parents names on it is grounds for disqualification.

I guess they know who/what they want.

[-dead-]

funked
Teenagers have always been amazinhunks and flipping out - it's their job. It's also their hormones. They're also keen followers of fashion, and into being famous forever. Cultivate them in a society where graphic violence is presented like porn on TV shows and the news with none of the social stigma of porn. Show an incident of a school shooting repeatedly for a week or two on TV. Give the kids access to a gun. Hey presto! Instead of just throwing a temper tantrum, being moody, and painting their bedroom black, they're stalking through the corridors killing their teachers & classmates. Who knows? "I wanna be on CNN" may overtake "I wanna be on MTV". It's certainly a lot less work than being a rockstar.

miko2D
Why are guns so easy to obtain illegally?
Are guns much easier to make or smuggle than nerve gas?
Why is it more difficult to obtain (legally or illegally) hand grenades, tanks, helicopters, missiles, smallpox, anthrax, nerve gas or nukes?
Where in the second amendment does it state that Americans have the right to keep and bear reasonable weapons?
Isn't it unconstitutional to ban the sale and ownership of hand grenades, tanks, helicopters, missiles, smallpox, anthrax, nerve gas or nukes?

[lord dolf vader]

toad i read a read but cant figure out what you mean. you were disqualified for not being a bastard?

[Toad]

Towd, it's an old, old interservice rivalry joke. You must have heard it.. or at least a version.

Elf has been trying to bust my chops is all.  Trying.  

[Toad]

Originally posted by -dead-
Where in the second amendment does it state that Americans have the right to keep and bear reasonable weapons?

Right there where it says "arms".

The Meaning of the Words in the Second Amendment

"Arms

In Colonial times "arms" meant weapons that could be carried. This included knives, swords, rifles and pistols. Dictionaries of the time had a separate definition for "ordinance" (as it was spelled then) meaning cannon. Any hand held, non-ordnance type weapons, are theoretically constitutionally protected. Obviously nuclear weapons, tanks, rockets, fighter planes, and submarines are not."

There are other sources you can easily find on the net that express the same idea/intent and have more documentation to go along with it. This is just one I picked randomly on a 2nd Amendment search.

[Kanth]

Show me where I quoted anything about school kids.

 She used a legally aquired hand gun to rush in and save someone. Because she lives there this doesn't count?

Kanthy

Originally posted by -dead-
Hmm As far as I can tell that news article doesn't prove the point at all.
 

[Kanth]

Not only that but children wouldn't be able to take their parents gun and accidentally shoot themselvs or their friends with it.

Criminals could still use regular guns but those could be made illegal. And the process to buy an identification type gun could include recording who bought it and all of it's information and could be used to ensure that those people are showing up for required hours of gun safety type training etc...

Responsibility would be easier to enforce and illegal weapons would be easy to identify at like Gun shows for example.
(which brings up a whole other subject for antique gun collectors)

Kanthy

Originally posted by miko2d


 Good idea. The criminals will still use regular guns, but at least they would not be easily able eaily steal the guns from lawfull owners.

 

[midnight Target]

Take another Vicadin Voss, I think the Black helicopters are causing your pain.

[Monk]

This loser had a permit for both guns......19 and still in school....hell with 17 I was in the Marines learning gun control;)
Its all about how you are brought up.

[Voss]

Yeah, mT, you're still the same dickhead.

[Jack55]

Originally posted by babek-


18 people died in the shooting: 14 teachers, one police-man, two school-kids and the mad one who killed himself when he was surrounded by the police.

Special tragic side-story within all this tragedy:
One of the 2 children of the dead police-man has today birthday.


I agree that Germany need more gun control laws. It has become easy to get weapons in the last years - especially from the eastern neighbors of Germany - so I would appreciate new laws to punish the illegal possession of weapons.

Otherwise we will get here the same chaos as in countries where people could by weapons like candies in shops.

Sad events can happen when people snap.  Maybe instead of punishing the sane and rational people of Germany with tyranical new gun laws, the government could put all expelled students in a special camp until it is certain that they are not going to flip-out and kill people.  I'm also sure that the first time a young man went on a killing rampage predates the USA and fire arms.  So it's a good bet that this type if thing originated in traditional old world culture despite it being regretably common in America.

[Eaglecz]

Originally posted by OZkansas
Germans need more gun control laws!

ahh realy ... will it remove reason of their act ....

ohhh wait .. why should we speak about causal  its not modern
bla bla bla

[Eaglecz]

Originally posted by -dead-
funked
Teenagers have always been amazinhunks and flipping out - it's their job. It's also their hormones. They're also keen followers of fashion, and into being famous forever

when i was teenager i werent amazinhunk like the other wanted to be nor follower of fashion

its on your will, what you will choise, no matter how old are you
people doing roadkill all the time not only teenagers...

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Voss
Yeah, mT, you're still the same dickhead.

And you have completely lost your sense of humor.

But please try to roll the foreskin back from your eyes for a moment. You made some good points in your post, and some that sounded like Ruby Ridgisms.

If the German school system is the future of the American system I say about freakin time! A school's mandate is too provide an education and Germany by any measure has done a much better job of this than we have. It is also in a Country's best interest to provide for the education of its people. Our founding fathers understood this very well, and even added public school partitioning to the Northwest Territories.

Home Schooling is not a "for the rich", Private schools abound for those who can afford it.

I agree with you about gun control laws not being the answer. I just felt you were sounding a little "libertarian".