unperk spitXIV

[Urchin]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE


Then apply my comment also to you.

At the risk of sounding condescending... perhaps if you'd learn to actually fight in the Dora you wouldn't have such a low opinion of it.

[Wilbus]

Only read the first 2/3's of this thread now so I hope I don't step on any toes.

It's been discussed many times that  

"plane#1 flew more in WW2 than plane#2 thus the plane#1 should be cheaper" we've all heard it several times. However, MA has got NOTHING what so ever historical about it, and I mean NOTHING except the fact that it is WW2, we have all planes flying with and against eachother, NO historical maps (we have the baltic one but last time I checked we never had any Zeke's and F4u's flying around here).

So saying that the spit should be unperked because of that, is plain weird and a pretty weak reason.

IT SHOULD be cheaper, pretty much cheaper, in the TA152 class, Icon has to be there.

Come in to the CT and fly there, and then you can say that the Spit was more common and should be cheaper I will agree partly with you. In the MA, NO WAY.

[SirLoin]

Where is Fester???..He started all this...

[mrsid2]

"The inferior ballistic properties of the Dora's guns simply require leading targets more, firing in close, and setting up rear shots as much as possible. It's not harder, just different."

You just negated your own statement in that sentence..

Inferior ballistic properties = harder gunnery

harder gunnery = harder kills, not just different.

If you have to go close to the enemy, microwarps or even huge ones will spoil 5 attacks of 10. Especially if the opposing plane is n1k, they always seem to warp - probably because many japanese players from long distance fly them and they suffer from bad net connections.

Setting up for rear shots is ok if you're gangbanging and the enemy has 10 others to monitor, cherrypicking is not hard indeed if that's what you meant DMF.

Leading targets more means having to pull more g's, lose more E and give your target a chance to manouver away under your nose. Now how is that supposed to make shots different but NOT harder?

For the rest of things I agree if you're an experienced pilot.. Newbie players can not take advantage from the higher top speed, roll rate or zoom ability. This is because of the simple fact that 90% of people are instinctive t&b flyers. It takes practise to learn b&z flying, especially in the MA where a rope leads to you being bounced from a higher E or alt enemy every other time. I mean if you play rook that is.. Life is different when you have 2:1 on YOUR side.

[Citabria]

of perk planes

262: untouchable, kills anything and everything

tempest: fast big guns kills everything and gets away

f4u4: average guns, speed same as p51d mostly, way to expensive and dweeb tag makes it instant magnet

ta152: kinda sucks below 20k, 190d9 is better

spitxiv: missing magic spit UFO e retention. makes it fodder for n1k2s spit9/5 in furball. it simply dosnt have the e retention to outfly/zoom them. only dorka tactics work in it (kill them when their not looking and run away) overpriced by 59 perk points

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying


The inferior ballistic properties of the Dora's guns simply require leading targets more, firing in close, and setting up rear shots as much as possible.  It's not harder, just different.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Actually I think it is harder. I pretty much only fly 190D9's and 190a5's, and there is a big difference between those and the other rides.

IMHO, the guns in the D9 are useless outside 350. If the target is flying straight and level, sometimes you can hit him at 500. But it is a complete waste of ammo to shoot at a manuvering target outside those 350 yards (it is yards...right?).

Combine the crappy guns with the fact that the D9 is one of the worst turners in the game. That means you have to stay with the target longer, and you have to do it in a crappy turner.

In a P51D, all you have to do is get inside 700 and start blasting away, those .50's are just as easy to hit with at 700 as the German 20mm's are at 350 (Note: That is my opinion, Im not claiming that it is a fact, it is just the way it feels).

As you say, the crappy guns forces a D9 pilot to get in closer to his target, something that is very hard when you are flying in a crappy turner, and often against aircraft that can run in circles around you.

So in my opinion, it is not only different, it is harder to get kills with the D9.

[Spit Fire]

Hmm, is it a good time to ask for country perkies ?

I mean, you can get LW perkies when flyin 109/190, US perkies in F6F or P47 etc etc.

262 can only be bought by LW perkies
Tempest only for RAF perkies

Would be fun, especially with insane exchange rates

[MANDOBLE]

The Dora accelerates very well at low to medium speeds
Just the opposite, D9 accelerates avegaregly/poorly from low to medium. It has good acceleration from medium to hi speeds.

it handles well at speed
What means "handles" and what means "at speed"? At hi speed (400 mph or more) D9 is a brick, only 109s are worse. Below 300 is "handles" well compared to itself, but worse than 90% of te actual planeset.

rolls like a monster
At hi speeds P51/P38 outrolls it. At medium and lo speeds any 190A outrolls it by far.

sports nearly limitless WEP
D9 depends entirely on its WEP. No WEP D9 = C47. And It has a clear limit.

zoom climbs amazingly well
Only if u start above 400 or 450 mph, else a single SpitIX will outzoom clearly it, unless u are refering to an horizontal zoom instead a vertical climbing one.

possesses a powerful gun package with plenty of ammo
D9 guns are not much stronger than a 50", very poor ballistics and very short range.

IMO, D9 is not a rival for a SpitXIV, most of the times it is even dog meat for a "poorer" 190A5.

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
The Dora accelerates very well at low to medium speeds
Just the opposite, D9 accelerates avegaregly/poorly from low to medium. It has good acceleration from medium to hi speeds.

it handles well at speed
What means "handles" and what means "at speed"? At hi speed (400 mph or more) D9 is a brick, only 109s are worse. Below 300 is "handles" well compared to itself, but worse than 90% of te actual planeset.

rolls like a monster
At hi speeds P51/P38 outrolls it. At medium and lo speeds any 190A outrolls it by far.

sports nearly limitless WEP
D9 depends entirely on its WEP. No WEP D9 = C47. And It has a clear limit.

zoom climbs amazingly well
Only if u start above 400 or 450 mph, else a single SpitIX will outzoom clearly it, unless u are refering to an horizontal zoom instead a vertical climbing one.

possesses a powerful gun package with plenty of ammo
D9 guns are not much stronger than a 50", very poor ballistics and very short range.

IMO, D9 is not a rival for a SpitXIV, most of the times it is even dog meat for a "poorer" 190A5.

BS

I hope anyone that is wondering doesnt believe that malarchy.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
The Dora accelerates very well at low to medium speeds
Just the opposite, D9 accelerates avegaregly/poorly from low to medium. It has good acceleration from medium to hi speeds.

it handles well at speed
What means "handles" and what means "at speed"? At hi speed (400 mph or more) D9 is a brick, only 109s are worse. Below 300 is "handles" well compared to itself, but worse than 90% of te actual planeset.

rolls like a monster
At hi speeds P51/P38 outrolls it. At medium and lo speeds any 190A outrolls it by far.

sports nearly limitless WEP
D9 depends entirely on its WEP. No WEP D9 = C47. And It has a clear limit.

zoom climbs amazingly well
Only if u start above 400 or 450 mph, else a single SpitIX will outzoom clearly it, unless u are refering to an horizontal zoom instead a vertical climbing one.

possesses a powerful gun package with plenty of ammo
D9 guns are not much stronger than a 50", very poor ballistics and very short range.

IMO, D9 is not a rival for a SpitXIV, most of the times it is even dog meat for a "poorer" 190A5.

I dont understand a word of this...really. Basically what you are saying here is that you have to fly the D9 right otherwise its a sitting duck...but the same can be said about every fighter in the game. I also think you are exaggerating its shortcomings.

IMO, the 190D9 is the best E fighter in the game. If flown correctly, no one can touch it. Sure it has some shortcomings (most notably the armament) but nothing too serious.

[Vermillion]

Jeez the partisian roadkill is defeaning in this arguement.

Karnak, the Dora (and other MW50 aircraft) has 10 minutes of WEP I believe, not 15.  And if you keep the XIV above 5k, you can outrun just about anything (what it can't outrun at that alt, it can easily outturn).  Its only down right on the deck where it doesn't have the speed to run away.

Luftwobbles, the Dora and G10 are very good aircraft (the Dora is my favorite plane of all in the game) but admittedly have weakness's.  Lets not play word games and try to make them sound like they stink. Because then people just ignore the rest of what you have to say.  Your just shooting yourself in the foot by doing that.

Spitwobbles....  come one guys. The Aces High Spit XIV is the most lethal Spit XIV modeled in any online sim to date.  The only reason that its K/D is so low, is that people mistakenly select it and go up and get vulched in base defense until they run out of perks.

This plane is easily the best vertical E fighter in the game, and can still outturn anything but the pure turnfighters (zeke's, Spit V's, and the like), which if you fly with half a brain should NEVER be a threat to you. We all know that the XIV is perked because not only is it fast, with great climbrate and acceleration, but it can turn very well too. All the other aircraft mentioned in this thread have 2 of the 3 attributes which means they have weakness you can exploit.  The biggest threat to a XIV is encountering a La7 right on the deck at slow speeds. Then its going to be a hell of a fight. The solution? Don't go there.

Citabria wrote:

spitxiv: missing magic spit UFO e retention. makes it fodder for n1k2s spit9/5 in furball. it simply dosnt have the e retention to outfly/zoom them. only dorka tactics work in it (kill them when their not looking and run away) overpriced by 59 perk points

If your letting Nik's, and early Spits kill you, your flying the plane totally wrong.  And I know for a fact that your a much better pilot than that. Complaining that the XIV can't out furball those planes is like complaining that the G10 can get in and turnfight a C.202.

And my last rant of the day......

Perk tags are a fact of life.  Live with it, and stop whining about it, because its not going to change.  Having a huge neon sign that says "come kill me, I'm special" is the penance you have to pay for flying an aircraft with a huge performance edge over the enemy.

[xHaMmeRx]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
The Dora accelerates very well at low to medium speeds
Just the opposite, D9 accelerates avegaregly/poorly from low to medium. It has good acceleration from medium to hi speeds.

I guess maybe that could depend on what you mean by low to medium speeds. However, anywhere from 150 up the D9's acceleration is quite good

rolls like a monster
At hi speeds P51/P38 outrolls it. At medium and lo speeds any 190A outrolls it by far.

According to F4UDOA's roll rate tests, the 38 does have an edge at 400, but not the 51.  I wish he'd done some at higher speeds!

zoom climbs amazingly well
Only if u start above 400 or 450 mph, else a single SpitIX will outzoom clearly it, unless u are refering to an horizontal zoom instead a vertical climbing one.

Below 8k or so, the D9 has a better sustainedrate of climb than the Spit IX.  Haven't tested zooming from lower speeds, but at 400, the D9 will climb higher but reach its apex sooner than a spit during my near vertical zoom climb tests.

possesses a powerful gun package with plenty of ammo
D9 guns are not much stronger than a 50", very poor ballistics and very short range.

I haven't flown the D9 much, but when I do, those guns seem to do a number when I hit.  For me, though, they are much harder to bring on target!

IMO, D9 is not a rival for a SpitXIV, most of the times it is even dog meat for a "poorer" 190A5.

This I agree with (the Spit XIV part at least, I rarely fly the A5).

HaMmeR
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[Ripsnort]

Mandoble is so far off base with the D9 assessment I think he'd make a good US Senator.

[CavemanJ]

Originally posted by mrsid2
CavemanJ are you saying pony is a good accelerator then?

No, I'm saying I want some of what you were smoking when you said the pony has good acceleration.  I italicized that part of the quote so you'd know what I was referring to.

[Karnak]

Verm,

Hmm.  I thought the late war German aircraft had 15 minutes of WEP.  Oops, my mistake.

I agree that the XIV needs to be a perk plane, I always have, but I maintain that it costs too much.  I flew away my perk points on it and think I have a decent handle on what to expect in it.

It guzzles fuel faster than even the Tempest.

If an enemy shows up at a higher altitude while you're fighting, it will attack and if the enemy has a clue it will mantain its advantage. Most of my XIVs were lost in this way.