UH HUH, Yeah Right....

[takeda]

UH HUH, Yeah Right....

We have nothing to hide.....


as long as we wonīt allow others to come and look for it.



Israel fears  forced UN inquiry if Annan disbands Jenin team
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=158249&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0
Why the fear? I thought we had nothing to hide

We all know that the IDF operates on the highest  standards but...

Dishonorable conduct in war
While the government is conducting a difficult campaign to guarantee that the IDF's good name will not be besmirched by a UN investigation of the events at the Jenin refugee camp, it turns out that some IDF soldiers brought shame on themselves, and the army, through acts of vandalism and, in some cases, looting during Operation Defensive Shield.
http://news.haaretz.co.il/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=158010&contrassID=2&subContrassID=3&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=158010



BTW I never picked a side in this conflict, you did. You seem to be able to swallow and justify some crimes as long as they fit your naive-primitive-Far West-simpleton-axis-of-evil views, while I find any crime unjustifiable. I fail to see how killing someone with explosives strapped to yourself is worse than burying him under debris with a 'dozer or shooting him through his home door just in case

On the Arafat thing... he has commited enough errors to deserve retirement now. His time in history went away, but the stupid mantra of helding him directly responsible of every suicide bomber and the idea that he can stop them with a pair of phone calls can only convince Dumbya-level and lower IQs.  

OTOH Sharon is directly responsible for every palestinian civilian killed in IDF operations, as there is a clear chain of command which dictates targets and rules of engagement in violation of international law.

[takeda]

UH HUH, Yeah Right....

We have nothing to hide.....


as long as we wonīt allow others to come and look for it.



Israel fears  forced UN inquiry if Annan disbands Jenin team
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=158249&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0
Why the fear? I thought we had nothing to hide

We all know that the IDF operates on the highest  standards but...

Dishonorable conduct in war
While the government is conducting a difficult campaign to guarantee that the IDF's good name will not be besmirched by a UN investigation of the events at the Jenin refugee camp, it turns out that some IDF soldiers brought shame on themselves, and the army, through acts of vandalism and, in some cases, looting during Operation Defensive Shield.
http://news.haaretz.co.il/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=158010&contrassID=2&subContrassID=3&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=158010



BTW I never picked a side in this conflict, you did. You seem to be able to swallow and justify some crimes as long as they fit your naive-primitive-Far West-simpleton-axis-of-evil views, while I find any crime unjustifiable. I fail to see how killing someone with explosives strapped to yourself is worse than burying him under debris with a 'dozer or shooting him through his home door just in case

On the Arafat thing... he has commited enough errors to deserve retirement now. His time in history went away, but the stupid mantra of helding him directly responsible of every suicide bomber and the idea that he can stop them with a pair of phone calls can only convince Dumbya-level and lower IQs.  

OTOH Sharon is directly responsible for every palestinian civilian killed in IDF operations, as there is a clear chain of command which dictates targets and rules of engagement in violation of international law.

[~Caligula~]

The pals vandalize their own cemeteries to dig up corpses,and dump them in mass graves.
I`m not easily shocked anymore,but this blows my mind.
WTF are these people thinking?

[~Caligula~]

This is great  

[Thrawn]

Dear Udie.

As one that came out on the side of those  that wanted to find out what exactly happened in Jenin, I can only say that I am very pleased that it looks like it was a restrained opperation.

Your trolling on this board...however, has not been.

Too bad your life changing experience, dealing with the car accident, didn't last much more then a month.  Thank you for providing this venue in which to say...hay you were right!  I hope it makes you feel like a big man.  After all the opinions of the people on this bbs, are very very important.

Have a nice day!

[Eagler]

Yea, right - by the grace of Israel he lives. They could have crushed him like the bug he is anytime...

"With our blood and our souls, we will redeem you, Abu Ammar," hundreds of Palestinians chanted, using Arafat's nom de guerre, as they thronged around him hours after Israeli forces completed their withdrawal from the presidential compound.

What a missed opportunity. He could have at that moment, made a move for peace with just a couple of sentences calling for restraint. Think Arafat would do that? Nope, just stood there with his fish face grin waving his V for victory sign around. And ppl really consider this clown a world leader???

[Nashwan]

I think Sharon learnt the last time how far massacres will get him.

Instead, Israel inflicts a steady level of civilian casualties on the Palestinians in incidents like this:

Late Tuesday night in Rafah, where 20-month-old Huda Shaluf was killed, IDF forces, including a tank, responded to a large explosion on the road near the Rafah crossing, firing at the suspected bombers and killing one, while the other was arrested.

During the shooting, houses in the Shuka neighborhood about half a kilometer away, where the Shaluf family lives, were hit by four to six shells. The baby was killed in the house. Her father and mother, and four other members of the family, were wounded. An armored force then rolled into the neighborhood, and after it departed, the body of a 25-year-old deaf man was found, apparently crushed by a tank.

or this:

In another incident, on the West Bank, 11-year-old Abed Ismail was killed by an explosion in the center of the village of Artas, south of Bethlehem, near the police station. According to official Palestinian sources, the IDF had held the building for a number of days during Operation Defensive Shield, but left a few days ago. The IDF said it was not aware of the explosion that killed the boy.

The IDF occasionally leaves booby-traps behind in it's operations. Late last year a similar device killed 5 palestinian children near the Khan Younis refugee camp.

The difference is, I haven't seen anyone on this board actually support suicide bombings, but I have seen plenty here support Sharon, calling for the Palestinians to
be "crushed", "killed", "removed" etc.

Any of you Sharon supporters care to condemn the Israeli murders of innocent civilians, or the Israeli policy of colonizing Palestinian lands and ethnically cleansing the inhabitants that is causing all the fighting?

Any of you care to condemn the Israeli system of apartheid, with Israel just deciding to ban any politician or party  from standing for election if they - explicitly or implicitly - deny the existence of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state? ie, calling for Israel to become a democracy with equal treatment, value and support for all religions means you can't be a member of the Israeli parliament. It isn't even the courts who get to decide who's banned, it's a committe of the Israeli parliament.

Any of you who say the US must support Israel because it is the only democracy in the area care to comment on that?

[Dawvgrid]

Originally posted by Tac
36 people is a massacre?

What a bunch of softies.

Just imagine those people were americanīs.Are we talking massa
cre then?.
or those 16 people in Germany,they were not massacred either??.

[Curval]

Udie....you are the man.

Dawvgrid, I figured someone would come out with something like that...

Here is the difference:

If the Israelis had taken 36 people, lined them up against a wall and executed them...THEN perhaps you could call it a massacre.  Most of those people killed were armed terrorists killed in a miltary action.  Unfortunately a few were civilians caught in a crossfire that resulted from Palestinian gunmen "holeing themselves up" in a civilian area in an effort to surround themselves with potential "cover" in the form of their OWN people.

Now...if 36 Americans were similarly lined up and executed...then yup, I would call it a massacre.  In fact when over 4,000 Americans died in the WTC disaster I called THAT a massacre.  But, if 36 Americans died in an action in Afganistan, for example, I would refer to them as casualties of war.

As with Udie I find it amusing that the majority of supporters of the Palestinians who were 'screaming blue murder' at the Jenin incident as first reported are now strangely silent.

[Curval]

Originally posted by Nashwan
I think Sharon learnt the last time how far massacres will get him.

Instead, Israel inflicts a steady level of civilian casualties on the Palestinians in incidents like this:

Late Tuesday night in Rafah, where 20-month-old Huda Shaluf was killed, IDF forces, including a tank, responded to a large explosion on the road near the Rafah crossing, firing at the suspected bombers and killing one, while the other was arrested.

During the shooting, houses in the Shuka neighborhood about half a kilometer away, where the Shaluf family lives, were hit by four to six shells. The baby was killed in the house. Her father and mother, and four other members of the family, were wounded. An armored force then rolled into the neighborhood, and after it departed, the body of a 25-year-old deaf man was found, apparently crushed by a tank.

or this:

In another incident, on the West Bank, 11-year-old Abed Ismail was killed by an explosion in the center of the village of Artas, south of Bethlehem, near the police station. According to official Palestinian sources, the IDF had held the building for a number of days during Operation Defensive Shield, but left a few days ago. The IDF said it was not aware of the explosion that killed the boy.

The IDF occasionally leaves booby-traps behind in it's operations. Late last year a similar device killed 5 palestinian children near the Khan Younis refugee camp.

The difference is, I haven't seen anyone on this board actually support suicide bombings, but I have seen plenty here support Sharon, calling for the Palestinians to
be "crushed", "killed", "removed" etc.

Any of you Sharon supporters care to condemn the Israeli murders of innocent civilians, or the Israeli policy of colonizing Palestinian lands and ethnically cleansing the inhabitants that is causing all the fighting?

Any of you care to condemn the Israeli system of apartheid, with Israel just deciding to ban any politician or party  from standing for election if they - explicitly or implicitly - deny the existence of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state? ie, calling for Israel to become a democracy with equal treatment, value and support for all religions means you can't be a member of the Israeli parliament. It isn't even the courts who get to decide who's banned, it's a committe of the Israeli parliament.

Any of you who say the US must support Israel because it is the only democracy in the area care to comment on that?

Ummm...perhaps you should wait until the "real" story behind these supposed incidents comes out before parroting another new source.  

This is precisely the kind of knee jerk reaction that prompted this thread.

[Lance]

:::chuckles::: It wasn't ovenrunner?  Was it nazi?  I could have sworn I saw a righteous BBS fight between you two in here that ended with you appologizing for calling him something to that effect.  I must be dreaming things.  Guess I need to lay off the sauce!

[Udie]

hehe ya gotta love it.  Come out and post something truethful and the personal attacks start flying from those who support the murderers.  I musta hit a nerve

 On all the boards I posted this, except one,  I was the victom of personal attacks


 Thrawn,

 Did you get to see your glorious freedom fighter leader on tv this morning.  He was victorious in his fight agains the evil jews!

[Dawvgrid]

36 people is a massacre?

Tac`s point was,as I undestood it ,,,"only 36 palestinians died,,you can`t call that a massacre".Or please explain.

And I do not support any of the involved parts in this"neverending
story",,,,out.                                                                              going home from work

[Wingnut_0]

Curval you qouted nashwan on those incidents but in your opinion he shouldn't until the "real" story is known?  I read that same piece on CNN (about the roadside bomb).  

I'd be glad to listen to some official explanation but that will never happen cause Isreal will simply pull the "everyone's biased against us" squeak card and won't let any UN function investigate Jenin or anything else for that matter.

[Curval]

Originally posted by Wingnut_0
Curval you qouted nashwan on those incidents but in your opinion he shouldn't until the "real" story is known?  I read that same piece on CNN (about the roadside bomb).  

I'd be glad to listen to some official explanation but that will never happen cause Isreal will simply pull the "everyone's biased against us" squeak card and won't let any UN function investigate Jenin or anything else for that matter.

Ahh CNN, yes, sorry they are always right........NOT

Listen, I was watching the BBC World Service the other day.  I consider them to be the best news source as CNN is more like a tabloid than a real news operation.  Even the BBC are falling for this "poor Palestinian's being massacred" crap....they had four stories on the Jenin masacre followed by a short piece about how the Palestininian children are being brain-washed and manipulated by the radical elements.  Fact is...everyone will remember the Jenin stories (which were full of misinformation) and the one item that gave an indication of Palestinian wrongdoing will be forgotten...merely because it wasn't the lead-story.

The Israelis WILL allow the UN to investigate Jenin...they just want military and anti-terrorism experts to join in the investigation.  Why?  Because they want an ACCURATE report...not some uneducated UN cronies OPINION. They, like  yourself, have been so influenced by CNN etc that they cannot form an unbias accurate account of what happened.

Please get your facts right.