Author Topic: UH HUH, Yeah Right.... (Read 2295 times)

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #45 on:** May 02, 2002, 12:53:48 PM »

Udie you seem to have first hand information that the UN team was biased and its sole purpose was to condemn Israels actions.

Could you tell us the source and did it possibly come from some of the teammembers?

I always thought they were supposed to go there and assess what really happened, since nobody was really allowed to go there to see it themselves.

You are paranoid and btw, wrong too Udie.

Nashwan · « **Reply #46 on:** May 02, 2002, 12:54:16 PM »

Curval, the only one of the incidents I posted that's in doubt is wether an IDF booby-trap killed the boy. The baby killed when tank shells hit his house has been reported in the Israeli press.
The 5 children killed by the IDF booby-trap is old news, and can be found on independant news sites.

Still don't seem to be many Sharon supporters willing to denounce colonization and ethnic cleansing, do there?

Curval · « **Reply #47 on:** May 02, 2002, 01:11:42 PM »

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Curval,

The only state of Isreal that matters at the moment is the "Modern" one that he was referring to.

I'll join with Udie at this juncture that the UN probably created it there with all those hostile neighbors in some ironic attempt to actually get rid of them. (tongue in cheek)

WRONG WRONG WRONG...

The fact is that you cannot talk about one without the other.

The UN resolved to put Israel where it is today because that is where Jews actually come from. Do you even realise that Arabs and Jews are Semites....they share the same racial distinction. That is BECAUSE they originate from the same area.

The fact is that Arabs and Jews have lived in that part of the world for centuries...but somehow the Jews ended up scattered all around the world. Wanna guess why? I'll give you a hint....when looking at the problems between Israel and the Arabs you must look back a few (tongue in cheek) years BEFORE the modern State of Israel was formed.

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #48 on:** May 02, 2002, 01:13:20 PM »

(small bug-like voice from under the referergerator) I like it when humans get blown up cause it makes them bite-sized.
-The Cockroach

Curval · « **Reply #49 on:** May 02, 2002, 01:17:51 PM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
The very fact that Israel is not letting the UN group in reveals that they do have something to hide.

What could the group find if there was nothing to find?

Martti Ahtisaari, the leader of the UN group is a close relative of mine and I know for a fact he's not biased one way or the other.

Please...I don't care who you are related to...frankly if this guy is a relative of yours I certainly hope he doesn't have YOUR attitudes...'cause if he does.....ummm I think you have made the point for me.

The Group (as you call it) could find a bunch of bodies dug up from another grave site...for one thing. A military expert might well be able to determine that this has occurred, whereas your relative would simply be shocked and horrified that the Israelis could massacre such "innocents".

It is not a question of "hiding" anything...it is a queston of being careful not to DISTORT the truth. Given that the "hundreds" have now been shown to be in the "tens" I think that concern is justified.

Wingnut_0 · « **Reply #50 on:** May 02, 2002, 01:26:37 PM »

I know very well they lived their once but really it's just a cloud of crap used for one side to use against the other and visa-versa.

Seriously, should the Indians have a right to America cause they once owned it?

Ok can we settle upon a different type of agreement? Build a HUGE freakin wall around the middle east, Leave the Jews, and the Muslims to go at it then throw in the Christians to help stir the pot? Not a pretty picture but just my way of helping my fellow man find their way to their heaven.

Eagler · « **Reply #51 on:** May 02, 2002, 01:27:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Eaglecz

naaa its only joke like 11 sep

Hey Orel
out of the 36 or 56 whatever the number is dead in Jenin, how many of em were bomber makers or wannabe bombing murders

now out of the 3000 that died in the WTC, how many ever killed/ thought about killing or planned to kill Arabs in the near or distant future ???

I got your joke buddy, right here ...

Wingnut_0 · « **Reply #52 on:** May 02, 2002, 01:45:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler

Hey Orel
out of the 36 or 56 whatever the number is dead in Jenin, how many of em were bomber makers or wannabe bombing murders

now out of the 3000 that died in the WTC, how many ever killed/ thought about killing or planned to kill Arabs in the near or distant future ???

Isn't your point mute since that's 3056 people that can't answer about their feelings toward 1 ethnic group or another?

Curval · « **Reply #53 on:** May 02, 2002, 01:45:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Wingnut_0
I know very well they lived their once but really it's just a cloud of crap used for one side to use against the other and visa-versa.

Seriously, should the Indians have a right to America cause they once owned it?

Ok can we settle upon a different type of agreement? Build a HUGE freakin wall around the middle east, Leave the Jews, and the Muslims to go at it then throw in the Christians to help stir the pot? Not a pretty picture but just my way of helping my fellow man find their way to their heaven.

They lived there once? Try a few millenia....(and generally under the Arab "boot-heel" up until the UN established the modern State.)

The Jews and the Indians have alot in common actually..in terms of a holocaust....and without attempting to hijack this thread I firmly believe that out of ANY race in the US the Indians deserve to be compensated for their loss. What happened to the Indians is something that "civilized" society in the United States will forever be stained by and should be ashamed of.

and btw...can you translate your signature for me? I don't speak German.

Thrawn · « **Reply #54 on:** May 02, 2002, 01:53:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler

Hey Orel
out of the 36 or 56 whatever the number is dead in Jenin, how many of em were bomber makers or wannabe bombing murders

Good question, please tell us.

Wingnut_0 · « **Reply #55 on:** May 02, 2002, 02:06:07 PM »

Curval,

It says, Do sober what you'd say you'd do drunk. It'll teach you to keep your mouth shut. Off the top of my head I believe I found that attributed to Hemmingway but can't say exactly.

Dowding · « **Reply #56 on:** May 02, 2002, 02:13:11 PM »

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And why did the UN do this? Because THE WORLD finally recognised the need after the Second World War.

Hmmm...and this contradicts my point about the UN creating Israel in what way exactly?

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The US condemed it because it was thought to be a massacre of hundreds, as "reported" by Arafats spin doctors.

Rubbish. The US condemned it because it can see exactly where this thing is going to lead. It was simply the next installment in the circle of violence. Israel goes in hard and is satisfied it has smited its enemies. Palestinian suicide bombers are recruited in greater numbers. Another bombing. More Israeli retaliation. More suicide bombers. More Israeli retaliation. More suicide bombers. More Israeli retaliation.

Ad nauseum and infinatum.

Surely this is the most obvious thing in the world?

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Clearly the Palestinians can't count. What makes you think the UN can do any better?

So the Palestinians are biased. All the more reason to go outside the region (that means above the Israelis too) and use a global body like the... err... the UN!

Fancy that!

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Becuase the Palestininans have rejected "out of hand" every offer that they have been given.

Read Nashwan's posts on the most recent (and best) offer afforded by the Israelis. Even a cursory glance shows how unacceptable the offer was to anyone wanting self-determination. You wouldn't accept it. I wouldn't accept it. Why should the Palestinians?

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...and certain elements in their support base will simply not give in until Israel is destroyed.

That's true. But there are certain elements in Northen Ireland that would want every Protestant or Catholic crucified, but strangely you don't tend to see that sort of thing happening.

There are radicals in every ethnic group. But the majority tends to just get on with their lives, and provided they have the means to do that, they will. Radicals get support in times of hardship and suffering - the rise of Hitler is testament to that.

Give the Palestinians something approaching self-determination (including control of natural resources like water - something not allowed in the last peace deal), and the radicals will return to the fringe.

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The use of this term is sickening in refernce to Israel. It is both unfair and frankly disgusting. That term was used to justify the Nazi invasion of Eastern Europe...

I think it is spot on.

Lebensraum:

"Meaning "living space," it was a basic principle of Nazi foreign policy. Hitler believed that eastern Europe had to be conquered to create a vast German empire for more physical space, a greater population, and new territory to supply food and raw materials. "

Implant Israel into the equation and I think it fits very well.

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...and it's use here is simply a blantant attempt to antagonise. [

And you complain of this, given the nature of the thread and Udie's comments all the way through. lol!

Nashwan · « **Reply #57 on:** May 02, 2002, 02:14:55 PM »

The UN team that was supposed to investigate Jenin did have military advisers with them, including a retired US general.

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The fact is that Arabs and Jews have lived in that part of the world for centuries...but somehow the Jews ended up scattered all around the world. Wanna guess why? I'll give you a hint....when looking at the problems between Israel and the Arabs you must look back a few (tongue in cheek) years BEFORE the modern State of Israel was formed.

The Jews were scattered by the Romans, not the Arabs. The Jews that were left in Palestine sided with the Arabs during the crusades, not suprising when the Crusaders killed so many Jews.

I'm really disapointed that none of the enlightened on this thread are prepared to condemn colonization, although at least some seem to get upset if a German term is used to describe it.

Eagler · « **Reply #58 on:** May 02, 2002, 02:18:29 PM »

thrawn/wingnut

it was a larger percentage for sure in Jenin than NYC

but the facts don't seem to matter

Given the same military might, what do you think your pals the PALs would have done to Tel Aviv or Haifa? Think there'd been dancing in the PAL streets? Is there any dancing in the Israeli streets??

Curval · « **Reply #59 on:** May 02, 2002, 02:36:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding

And you complain of this, given the nature of the thread and Udie's comments all the way through. lol!

Equating Nazi tactics with Israel in any way I personally find offensive, yes.

Edit due to addressing wrong person:

Nashwan:

As to your surprise that no-one wants to denounce colonialism..I think that is because there is no colonial element to what we are discussing. You are so wrapped up in thinking that Israel is trying to "take over" land that you have lost sight of the fact that they are protecting themselves. Israel keeps leaving the areas that it took over. They do so because they have to go in to root out the terrorists and then once that is done they leave. I see no colonialsm in that.

Plus...you are talking to the wrong guy. Hell, I AM a colonial...I live in my own country, but under Bristish colonial rule. Best damn thing that could have happened to us too. If the Brits leave us to independence the whole place will go down the drain, much like what happened in Jamaca.