The F4U1-C

[R4M]

 

Originally posted by Hooligan:
From the number of people flying the F4U-1C one would have to assume that it is contributing greatly to the enjoyment of the game for a lot of players.

Hooligan

Then perk all the rest so we can all rejoice with the fully enjoyable Chogs  
<G,D,R>

Now seriously, I say I dont understand why is not perked. The Perk system was introduced "to limit the usage of planes wich could be unballancing in the Main Arena". And in my own (free and private) interpretation, the ammount of usage that the Chog gets in the Main Arena makes it an unballancing plane.

BTW, and in any case... the Fw190D9 goes with five times less kills than the Chog...I guess,then, than the ENY of the D9 should be 50  


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[Yeager]

Rip reminds us once again why the Chog is such a neato addition to what was once an excellent combat simulation but is now little more then a juvenile game:
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-Its great at ATG
-Its great for strafing
-Its the answer for Osties and tanks
-Its great for snap shots on high speed planes trying to get by you while they try to go for your goon thats IB.

Thats why.
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again you seem to leave the most important reason out Rip:

-Its great for folks that dont have the time nor the inclination to do anything other than fly around and jerk off at every poor SOB that happens to be anywhere near them.

Thats why so many people seem to enjoy it eh hooli, its pure masterbation.

Yeager    


[This message has been edited by Yeager (edited 04-23-2001).]

[Fatty]

Dang Yeager, I'm in the wrong plane.  With the ability to browse porn on the clipboard, we've got something very promising here.

[Tac]

Just for the sake of argument, how many "Perk the Spit" or "Perk the 109g10" or "Perk the La7" threads have popped up in the last 4 tours when compared with "Perk the Chog" and "Perk the N1k" threads?

Also, which planes are quite usually the top killers, even with NEWBIES flying it most of the time?

Which planes are the ones that have characteristics which are most hotly debated as being "probably" way overmodelled?

Many thing point to only 2 specific planes, once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, thrice is a conspiracy.

There is no spoon.

[blutic]

As a new player, I like the C-hog. I get a lucky shot and I get a kill. The spit and the German Iron I don't fly so well. So I guess I should fly an inferior AC and die more often. I'm not a RL flyer nor do I have a lot of time to spend online, so the best AC for me is the HOG. After all; the MA is fantacy just like the rest of the game. When did P-51 fight Spits? Wasn't the F4u used mainly in the Pacific?
I don't know the answer to the problem. I would just hate to see the elimination of any AC. I love planes. I can't fly the perked planes because I'm not good enough to accumulate the perk points. Perking the F4U-C would eliminate it for me.

blutic

[AKSeaWulfe]

It's not invincible, it's not the easiest to fly, if you are competent- it's an easy kill, it doesn't snap roll like a 190(can we say scissors???), it's definitely not the best turner(at a stall speeds I can hold a 190A5 on a F4U-1C's tail even with his flaps down), and it definitely doesn't zoom very well either.

By those standards alone, it is not "unbalancing".

Hey I gots a idea... hows abouts ya'll actually spend more time flying rather than posting, I bets ya you'd end up understanding hows to better fly your plane and you might learn more aircraft. Imagine, putting the effort into flying that you guys put into squeaking... Dude! Now there's a concept.
-SW

[Yeager]

Its all BS....the damned thing is a joke.

Y  

 

[Karnak]

AKSeaWulfe,
Gee whiz, that's a thought.

Oh wait, that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. I can already shoot F4U-1Cs down as easily as anything else, easier than most frankly.
It has NOTHING, in my case, to do with how good it is or is not.  It simply has to do with these numbers:

The F4U-1C has 20852 kills
The N1K2 has 9515 kills

The F4U-1C has 11337 kills more than the aircraft in 2nd place.  The number two fighter only has 45% of the kills that the F4U-1C has.

That is the only problem I have with it. Its the bloody numbers.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[AKSeaWulfe]

You need to stop that Yeager... you're getting them all riled up.

You're like that instigator in a room full of kindergartners that need ritalin and haven't taken it that day. You get them bouncing off the walls with a simple sentence and keep sliding in a comment here and there to keep sure you keep 'em all jolted out of their minds screaming about stuff they don't even understand.

Now stop or I'll tell the teacher on you!
-SW

[Toad]

Assume for a moment that the "universe" of people who would pay to play a WW2 ACM Game as of April 1, 2001 is already aware of Aces High.

From there, extrapolate that out of this universe, about 200 people a night (US night time) do in fact play AH.

Assume that the complaints of "I never see anything but F4U-1C's and N1K1's" is actually an accurate statement. (I haven't seen that.)

Would it not then follow that HT knows his clientele and is giving them what the majority wants?

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
But you can't expect those of us who have a problem with it to just shut up because you don't like the message.

1. It isn't the message.  

I don't fly the F4U-1C.

Further, people who DO fly the F4U-1C don't bother me a bit. Whatever happens to the F4U-1C (and the N1K1 for that matter) will not affect the things/reasons I play AH for in the least.

Like Fatty, I'm more "concerned about the precedent of rewarding the loudest whiners."  

2. Do you think HTC can possibly be unaware of the argumentative and accusatory F4U-1C threads that continually pop up on the board?

Of course not.

In this, I feel a bit like SW. This has gone far beyond a "broken record".  

I don't know about you, but if I'm in a situation where I am, for a reason I choose not to share with the petitioner, either unable or unwilling to make a change that he is pestering the Sh*t out of me about making...

I totally tune them out and make a mental note to myself that the pond in Hell needs to freeze solid enough for skating before I revist their particular concern.

In short, I don't think you folks are helping you case one bit.

They are aware of your feelings/case. Either they will address it in their own time... or they won't. In either situation, trying to pressure them probably isn't going to help you achieve your goal.

I feel fortunate that a group as talented as HTC has absolutely worked their prettythanges off so that in my free time I can be a Walter Mitty WW2 Fighter Pilot.

There's things I don't particularly care for in it. There's things I don't think are exactly correct in the modeling. There's things I'd wish they do.

But I would NEVER badger them about it, especially on their own BBS.

I have (and probably will again) sent HT and Pyro E-Mail about my concerns or desires. I try to be polite about it. I try to support my reasoning with facts, not rhetoric.

Most of all, I respect them. They are doing one hell of a job. This game is FUN.

I stand ready to send any of you "continual carpers" my money if you can put out a better game. But I won't hold my breath.

Ha! I meant to put in about a 5 line post. I'll quit. I'm out.

[sling322]

 

Originally posted by Yeager:
...jerk off at every poor SOB that happens to be anywhere near them.

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Yikes!!! Duck SOB!!  Yeag's tryin' ta give ya some hair gel or somethin'.  

[AKSeaWulfe]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
That is the only problem I have with it. Its the bloody numbers.

Yeah man, it's gotta be the numbers. That's your ONLY problem with it right? Or is it group mentality.. "everyone else is doing it... I think... maybe..."

But boy, lets just blame it on the numbers... that's the ticket!

How's this for numbers?

You have 8 kills of the F4U-1C and have been killed 10 times by it. You have 7 kills of the SpitIX and have been killed 9 times by it.  

Geez man.. it must be the numbers right? I mean... that SpitIX is only off by 1 in each category but I don't see you getting all constipated over it.

Lets just cut the roadkill out right now... what's your real agenda? It sure as hell isn't numbers, if it's numbers then lets get your SpitIX perked too!

But wait, that doesn't help you out at all... hmmmmm    

You all are so busy squeaking and too overwhelmed by it that you forgot what you are squeaking about and why you are squeaking. I think you are just squeaking to squeak and piss off everyone else with your whiney squeaking.
Think I said squeaking enough to get it through to any of you? You all are just squeaking, it serves no purpose to the game.

For arguments sake.. how many people HAVE QUIT AND STAYED AWAY from AH because of the F4U-1C?

Everyone complaining about the F4U-1C is apparently too blind to look ahead and see what effects perking the F4U-1C would have. I was around when WB was first created and when ICI still owned and operated it. The majority of aircraft there was the SpitV.. I mean hell... 25% gas was all you needed to get around the arena and the game was all about dogfighting (sometimes base capturing)... so why not take up the best dogfighter?
   

I'm sorry for those of you that think you can actually force diversity onto a group. You think perking the Chog will evenly distribute the people flying them among other aircraft? You are so far in left field, you aren't even playing baseball.

Perk the Chog today, perk something else tommorrow... if you think the skies full of F4U-1Cs is bad. You people are about to get a gallon of ice cold water poured on your balls. N1K2s, SpitIXs, SpitVs, La7s, 190D9s, 109G10s... I'm not sure which of those would dominate the skies in numbers... but one would and there's no question about it.

You all can settle for the F4U-1C being extremely popular for a TOD, or you can decide to screw the game so bad you would believe you were flying Aces High in hell.
-SW

[R4M]

SW, nice smilies  

other than that, dude we must live in different worlds, because cant' imagine how could we disagree more about this matter  

[R4M]

   

Originally posted by Toad:
They are aware of your feelings/case. Either they will address it in their own time... or they won't. In either situation, trying to pressure them probably isn't going to help you achieve your goal.

Achieve my goal?...oh come on, Toad, I have learnt enough about this to know that HTC will do as THEY think they have to do, not as WE ask them to. And I dont mess with that, because it is the right way to do the things. When they think the Chog must be perked, they will perk it.
And in my original message, wich I still keep as my argument, I say that what I cant understand is why the Chog hasnt been perked yet, nothing else.

 I dont yell PERK IT because I (finally    ) know it would mean no difference. I simply say that, from my point of view, we have reached a point where the Perk system is falling off because the basics where the system is based (to keep "uballancing planes" numbers at bay) is being ignored at all,in a sistematical basis,with this particular plane. Or at least I feel it this way.

However, and with the tendence we are seeing (each TOD the Chog gets more used,with the exception of the last one-because the novely of the new planes, I guess-), eventually the Chog will be perked anyway. Its a matter of time.

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[AKSeaWulfe]

It's the way the world turns RAM, you aren't going to fix a television with snow on it by putting your foot through the screen now are you?

Believe me, F4U-1Cs are by far not your worst nightmare... you remove it and I'll come visit you sometime while you're in a straight jacket yapping about SpitIXs, N1K2s and La7s RAM.
-SW