Originally posted by Dr Zhivago
Esme
Its good to remember that AH isnt super realistic game.
- It's about par for the course,m'dear. :-)
Arado and me262 engines are more closer hairdryers than jet engines. In real life those jumos needed very smooth throttle control. If you moved the throttles too fast, they would flame out and lost thrust. And engine life was only between 10-25 hours and they werent very reliable either.
- yes, I know that. I was actually disappointed when I hard the Ar234 was added rather than the He111 (before I had an AH account, that was. Been keeping an eye of AH for a long time)
Whats next LW bomber addition to game ?
Allies got b17, lanca ,b26 , a20 and tmb3. Axis got Ju88, Ar234 and Ki67 but lacks heavy bombers. He177 was only german heavy buff during ww2
- Incorrect. See my earlier post. It LOOKED like a heavy buff, but by Allied standards wasn't quite there. And the external weaponary commonly carried isnt modelled in AH yet. Radio-controlled guided missiles, for heavens sake!
and its only drawback was those engines. Ju188, He111 H and Do217 were just medium bombers and thus carried lighter defensive armament and bombload.
- the Lancaster's defensive armament wasn't so great, either, which has a lot to do with why it flew by night.
Do217 was largest german medium bomber and was much closer heavy buff. Would be good if axis got at least one heavy buff to game...
- the LW didn't have any true heavy bombers, due to the high commands fixation on tactical support for the German Army.
He177 carried 1000 or 2000kg ? of bombs internally and there were racks under wings wich could carry bombs or two missiles. Hs 293 weights about 1,045kg, Kramer X-1 about 1,570kg and plane could carry three missiles if the bombay was blanked off and racks added to it. So normal bombload should be bigger than 2000kg. [/QUOTE]
- Yes, I covered all that; Not being "funny" but did you read ALL of my post? HTC would have to model the guided weapons as well to give the He177 more than a 2000kg bomb load, m'dear. So it's not just a case of modelling the He177, there's the weaponary as well, and that isnt going to be trivial to do.
On balance, I maintain that the Do217 is still the best one to model because its payload doesnt require extra game systems to be implemented, its fast (even at night the He177 had to resort to long shallow dives to gain enough speed to help it survive the nightfighters), and has reasonably good defensive armament if it's modelled right. And it came in a number of useful variants, too. Plus, as I remarked, it'd be useful not only in the MA but in many scenario games as well, where the He177 would be less useful. (btw; can anyone tell me why the nose gun on a flexible mount in a Ju88 isn't modelled, the one the observer could shoot from the Kanzel?).
I also believe that too many folks are over-fixated on the notion that the LW needs a heavy bomber in order to fight the way the US 8th air force did (why should the LW WANT to do that?!), rather than the conditions that allowed them to fight (caused them to fight, actually) the way they actually did. Variety, m'dears, I want variety, rather than the US 8th AF fights the US 8th AF. Dull, dull, dull!
And again, the He177 by that stage of the war flew by night because it couldnt survive by day even assuming it didnt develop mechanical problems. The best way for LW bombers to survive after late 1940 or so (in the west) is by stealth, rather than flying straight at the enemy, and in adequate numbers where stealth isnt possible. Havent seen a lot of either in the MA since I started flying in AH. Some, but not much.
But then it's the MA - I don't expect a great del of realism in things there. I would like to see stuff added that helps the realism in other areas of AH gameplay, though (SEA, CT, TODs, etc.)
If it weren't for MA considerations, I'd be asking for the He111 instead, but I like to try to think of everybody, not just us realism nuts :-)
Esme :-)
