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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2002, 11:34:04 AM »
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Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) said in a speech in New York on Thursday that suggestions by some Democrats that the attacks could have been prevented were "thoroughly irresponsible and totally unworthy" of national leaders in a time of war.

But Gephardt denied any inquiry was politically driven.

"This is not about blame-placing. This is not about trying to assign motives to people," the Missouri Democrat said. "This is about trying to do better in the future."



So, Rip. We shouldn't question the intelligence community or the President or our ability to react to things like this in the future? Makes me wonder who is the gullible lemming here. ;)

Read the above quote and tell me which Politician is trying to spin this little issue into a negative bashing of the other.

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« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2002, 11:39:57 AM »
I can't disagree SB. It's all political roadkill. Both parties are guilty of leveraging off the attacks for political gain.
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« Reply #62 on: May 17, 2002, 11:47:33 AM »
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I can't disagree SB. It's all political roadkill. Both parties are guilty of leveraging off the attacks for political gain.


Actually, now that SB has posted his, I have to say "Good Post"..both sides need a whooping! Wheres my wooden whooping spoon! Who's gonna be first!?

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« Reply #63 on: May 17, 2002, 11:51:19 AM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort

Actually, now that SB has posted his, I have to say "Good Post"..both sides need a whooping! Wheres my wooden whooping spoon! Who's gonna be first!?


thanks... And is your whooping spoon different than your pot-stirring spoon? ;)

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« Reply #64 on: May 17, 2002, 11:55:58 AM »
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Actually, now that SB has posted his, I have to say "Good Post"..both sides need a whooping! Wheres my wooden whooping spoon! Who's gonna be first!?


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« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2002, 11:56:34 AM »
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thanks... And is your whooping spoon different than your pot-stirring spoon? ;)

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The "Pot stirring" spoon is a nicely forged, flat rolled stainless steel one. ;)

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« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2002, 11:58:09 AM »
No argument, politics is being played here.

All I am saying is that I have yet to see any accusatory remarks from anyone on the Democratic side equivilent to those I've seen from the GOP. Like this one:

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Republican Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said, “There was a lot of information. I believe and others believe, if it had been acted on properly we may have had a different situation on Sept. 11.”


While the Dems worst quote I could find is:

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“Why did it take eight months for us to receive this information? And what specific actions were taken by the White House in response?” Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said. “I’m not going to jump to any conclusions, but it’s hard to understand why the information was not released.”


Which hardly adds up to justification for this:

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Vice President Dick Cheney warned Democrats to tread lightly.
       “They need to be very cautious not to seek political advantage by making incendiary suggestions that were made by some today that the White House had advance information that would have prevented the tragic attacks of 9/11,” Cheney said.

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« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2002, 12:22:05 PM »
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He's no more to blame than Roosevelt was for Pearl Harbor.


I'd like to see what would have happened to any politician in August 1942, 8 months after Pearl Harbor, had they suggested the President of the United States knew about and allowed the attack to occur.

I think he'd been hung from the nearest tree, just as Dashole and his buddies (media included) should be today. Their vague accusations border on treason.
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« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2002, 12:26:19 PM »
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I think he'd been hung from the nearest tree, just as Dashole and his buddies (media included) should be today. Their vague accusations border on treason.


And I think that they would have had impeachment hearings.
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« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2002, 12:50:24 PM »
*Yawn*

The handsomehunkcrats know if they don't tarnish Bush's reputation there is no way in hell they can win in the next election.

Trying to blame 911 on him is pretty low even for them.
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« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2002, 01:03:26 PM »
Quoted from Tahgut

While the Dems worst quote I could find is:


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“Why did it take eight months for us to receive this information? And what specific actions were taken by the White House in response?” Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said. “I’m not going to jump to any conclusions, but it’s hard to understand why the information was not released.”



 DUDE!!!!! this is an our right LIE pure and simple.  They had the same briefing as the president.  They knew what he knew and now they try and act like they didn't to gain politicly. I don't expect more from him I mean after all he is the same guy that said Republicans want to kill old people and starve children. He should NOT be the senate majority leader,  hopefuly that will be fixed in Nov.  


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talk about backfire!
« Reply #71 on: May 17, 2002, 01:10:19 PM »
Maybe them dems are digging their own grave:


"Bin Laden-gate Witness Dares Dems: Depose Me on Clinton 9-11 Cover-up

The man who negotiated a deal for Osama bin Laden's extradition to the United States six years ago is daring Senate Democrats to call him as a witness in the upcoming probe into the government's 9-11 intelligence failures, saying he can blow the lid off the Clinton administration's cover-up of the episode.

Mansoor Ijaz, a major Clinton financial supporter who hammered out the 1996 bin Laden agreement with government of Sudan only to have the White House turn the offer down, issued the challenge Thursday during an interview with nationally syndicated radio host Sean Hannity.

"I'm saying this point blank," Ijaz announced in impassioned tones. "Clinton, Berger, Albright, Susan Rice - any of them that want to come and take us on. I've got the paperwork to back up what I've said and they know it. And they know they can't run and hide."

Ijaz complained that since Sept. 11, he has yet to be called by either the House or Senate intelligence committees to give sworn testimony.

"(Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman) Bob Graham is a friend of mine and he knows what I've got in my files. And they know where to find me if they really want to find out the truth about what was possible at that time."

Ijaz charged that Senate Democrats don't want to call him in order to protect the previous administration.

"I'm absolutely convinced," he told Hannity, "that the Democrats are desperately trying to find a way to deflect the attention from the complicity of the Clinton administration in letting this terrorism problem get so far out of hand."

The former Clinton negotiator described the missed opportunity to get bin Laden and fingered former national security advisor Sandy Berger and former attorney general Janet Reno as having key roles in the deadly foul-up.

"By May of 1996 the Sudanese had decided to get rid of bin Laden because he was becoming a problem there as well. They called the Clinton administration one last time and said, 'If you don't want him to go to Saudi Arabia, we're prepared to hand him over to you guys directly.'"

"And the Clinton administration's response to that was, 'We don't have enough legal evidence against him," Ijaz explained.

Besides Berger and Reno, "Clearly the president had to have had a hand in making that decision," he added. "There's no question in my mind that he was involved in those decisions as well. There's no question about that at all."

The former Clinton negotiator suggested that Congress depose other witnesses who could corroborate and expand upon his account.

"The American people should know that I have even persuaded a senior Sudanese intelligence official, who was later the intelligence chief, that if it became necessary he would come to the United States and testify in closed hearings about precisely what they were prepared to do," he said. "And he would bring the data with him."

Another witness suggested by Ijaz: former Clinton administration ambassador to the Sudan Tim Carney.

"Frankly (Carney) can take the American people a couple of steps further in terms of taking them inside the deliberations that went on and telling people precisely how the politicizing of the intelligence took place at that time."

Ijaz also charged that Clinton officials deliberately went out of their way to stifle FBI antiterrorism probes.

"The FBI, in 1996 and 1997, had their efforts to look at terrorism data and deal with the bin Laden issue overruled every single time by the State Department, by Susan Rice and her cronies, who were hell-bent on destroying the Sudan," he said.

The Bush administration takes a different approach entirely, according to Ijaz.

"I can tell you personally that I have dealt with the Bush administration's national security team." he told Hannity. "These are people who immediately react to information that is brought to their attention that is necessary and important for people to know.... There is no comparison to the Clinton administration.""
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« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2002, 03:08:18 PM »
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Originally posted by Eagler


I'd like to see what would have happened to any politician in August 1942, 8 months after Pearl Harbor, had they suggested the President of the United States knew about and allowed the attack to occur.

I think he'd been hung from the nearest tree, just as Dashole and his buddies (media included) should be today. Their vague accusations border on treason.


Found This:

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As a result of research by his staff, and possibly some "leaks" from Intelligence officers of 1941, Thomas E. Dewey, the Republican candidate for the presidency, had learned during the campaign of 1944 that President Roosevelt had been reading the intercepted Japanese diplomatic messages in the Purple and other codes and was aware of the threat of a Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor at any time after November 26, 1941, but had failed to warn the commanders there, General Walter C. Short and Admiral Husband E. Kimmel, in time to avert the attack or to meet it effectively. Dewey considered presenting these vital facts in a major campaign speech.
Roosevelt learned of this through the Democratic grapevine planted at Republican headquarters and, in understandable alarm, pressured Mr. Dewey through General George C. Marshall to abandon his plan, on the ground that it would endanger the war effort by revealing that we had broken Japanese codes. Marshall twice sent Colonel Carter W. Clarke to urge Dewey not to refer to Pearl Harbor during the campaign. To cover up for Roosevelt, Marshall has contended that he operated on his own initiative in sending Clarke to importune Dewey. As Clarke knew by this time, the basis of his plea was spurious, namely, that such a speech by Dewey would first reveal to the Japanese that we had broken their Purple diplomatic code. Actually, the Japanese had learned of this from the Germans by the end of April, 1941, over three years before the 1944 campaign. Dewey did not know this at the time and, as a supposedly patriotic duty, he suppressed the speech and the publicity which might have won the election for him.

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« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2002, 03:31:24 PM »
good find MT

that was 3 years after the attack and still the politician had the common sense to keep his mouth shut for the good of the country...

not that way today is it ....
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« Reply #74 on: May 17, 2002, 10:51:38 PM »
Ok, maybe this was said already and I just didnt see it ... ok, so I didnt read ALL the posts.  But ... the awareness of planes being hijacked PLUS the awareness of Bin Laden/Al-Queda linked persons in flight training schools IN the USA ... to me its not that hard to figure out.

I think someone dropped the ball, and well ... as Commander in Chief I assume the PResident must assume some responsibility for this.

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