Author Topic: 190's for dUmMiEs.....?? (Read 942 times)

MadBirdCZ · « **Reply #30 on:** May 23, 2002, 01:19:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Vermillion
rarely fight a "fair" 1 v 1

Hmm someone once said: 'If you find yourself in a fair fight then you definitely did something wrong...'

Vermillion · « **Reply #31 on:** May 23, 2002, 01:59:09 PM »

Or as Bob Shaw once said to me.....

"WHY the HELL would you want to fight a 'fair' fight !?!?!?!!?"

hehehe

Soviet · « **Reply #32 on:** May 23, 2002, 09:03:20 PM »

contrary to popular belief the Fw-190A8 is a good fighter on the deck. It is pretty fast

Here are some comparisons of deck speed

(btw these are with wep)
Plane Speed
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190A8 - 350
Spit IX - 320
Spit V - 305
Spit XIV - 365
F4u1D - 355
F6F- 330
P47D30 - 340
P51D - 365
P38L - 340
Nik2-J 325
La7- 380
Typhoon - 370

As you can see the 190A8 is one of the fastest planes in the Arena on the deck. Plus it has 4 20mm or if you wanna be a rebel 2 20mm and 2 30mm. 1 short burst and most fighters are history.

It also performs very well in roll, and at high speed.

It can turn with almost anything for the first 1/4 of it's turn due to it's fantastic instantaneous turn rate.

I just racked up a lot of kills in it flying it on the deck against planes taking off a CV in a massive furball.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #33 on:** May 24, 2002, 03:42:19 AM »

Soviet,
Top speed is secondary when you loose a lot of energy whatever you do except flying straight ahead or diving.

Put a 190A8 and a Spit in a race of 4 Km. At Km 2 both need to make a 4g 90 dgree turn to the right and repeat to the left. SpitIX will win the race.

Keep in mind also the speed and climbing rate of any 190 without WEP compared to anyother plane without WEP.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #34 on:** May 24, 2002, 03:52:16 AM »

The snap roll can spoil a Bish Spit's gun solution quick. If a spit dives on me while I'm... ummm.. "extending" in an A8, I like to let him close to 1000-800, then give the stick a violent jerk to the lower/right position (to pull you up and to the right). You'll enter an accelerated stall right away, and the engine torque will flip you over and to the left. So from the spits POV, you start a roll to the left, then freak out and flip to the left.

Uh oh.. that's the infamous FW flip-flop manouver - gaming, not acm.

Hristo · « **Reply #35 on:** May 24, 2002, 04:53:13 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Uh oh.. that's the infamous FW flip-flop manouver - gaming, not acm.

I am so sure that every Spit driver would refrain from flat turning if it caused warps. Yeah

As DocDoom said in his book: "...use what the game offers you...".

Learn to warproll the best you can. I don't know if I can do it, nobody whined about it yet. Sigh

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MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #36 on:** May 24, 2002, 04:57:11 AM »

I dunno.. For some strange reason I don't start unplugging my modem, stick jerking, alt-tabbing, flip-flopping etc. 'acm' if I can't outfly my enemy the way the plane was capable of. I take the bullet and take off again.

Hristo · « **Reply #37 on:** May 24, 2002, 05:00:53 AM »

Do you whine when they get you ?

MadBirdCZ · « **Reply #38 on:** May 24, 2002, 05:08:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Hristo
Do you whine when they get you ?

Hehe I do...

A lot... But on squad channel only and most of the time in Czech language so only Orel can really enjoy it...

Edit:
But lately since I realized that no matter how much i whine it wont make Orel to help me when I need it so I just curse a lot...

Hristo · « **Reply #39 on:** May 24, 2002, 05:20:52 AM »

I used to do the usual : "...now could he do that if he was in and I was in ?...".

Probably not, and that's what this is all about. Exploit plane differences, along with possible pilot differences. If the Internet burps while you are doing it, too bad. It can be double edged sword as well. Think how many times you have been shot in a warp.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #40 on:** May 24, 2002, 05:31:49 AM »

Hristo the thing that is 100% guaranteed to make me whine is when I get bounced by a supersonic n1k while I'm extending from a fight.

On some days 50% of my fights end that way. Fight 2-3 enemies, damage some or kill some, extend - and the n1k dives from somewhere and game over. Can't outrun him, can't outturn him.

Tried to follow a diving n1k last week to a vertical turn in P51.. N1k flew away and I lawndarted with no wings

Hristo · « **Reply #41 on:** May 24, 2002, 05:43:37 AM »

...which gives me an idea for another thread

Wilbus · « **Reply #42 on:** May 24, 2002, 09:20:17 AM »

I despice people who stick stirr and game the game, specially when they do it in 190's since it gives the 190 people who can actually fly the plane a bad reputation aswell. Stop it or change plane you dweebs

thrila · « **Reply #43 on:** May 24, 2002, 09:39:35 AM »

Stick stirring is not cool, I usually bump into a 190 or an f4u trying to stickstir their way out of trouble every so often. I shotdown a spit that was stick stirring last night (so it's not always 190's & f4u's) wasted about a 1/4 of my ammo trying to hit the the bugger.

Sikboy · « **Reply #44 on:** May 24, 2002, 10:34:16 AM »

I'd like to point out that I don't believe what I described is a "Warp Roll" or "Stick Stirring" Nor do I believe that it is gaming so much. You are simply using the 190s mean departure to snap you over.

You do not "appear" to be going one way, then go the next, you actually "are" going one way, then going the next. The A8 will flop right on over even if I don't want it too. If you stall in pretty much any right hand turn in the 190A8, you will likely flop over to the left. At least that's my experience. Using this as an evasive is simply forcing the stall with a quick change in attitude.

-Sikboy