Originally posted by wsnpr
Hortland, you are half right. I am also Pro-Israeli. Read the other thread above as I don't want to repeat myself. Tell me where in all of my postings in any thread that I have stated that Israel doesn't deserve its own State?
Well, At least in my opinion the phrasing "pro-Israeli" is not the same thing as feeling that Israel has the right to exist. Pro-Israeli would go a bit deeper than that actually. For example, someone might say that I'm pro-Israeli. Someone might also say that Nashwan is pro-Palestinian. He and I have very different opinions about various aspects of the Israel-Palestine conflict, and the idea that someone can be pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian at the same time is plain silly. The two sides are too far apart to combine into one.
You also posted this in another thread:
The State sponsored terrorism by Israel under the guise or 'self defence' is no excuse. Sharon and the Israeli leadership are not interested in peace short of a Greater Israel and buffer zone. Period. All Sharon is insuring is the future continued attacks against Israelis by desperate Palestinian people (mainly those who have lost innocent family and friends from Israeli Military attacks, so called collateral casualties) who no longer have hope of self determination.
To me, it would be wrong to characterize someone who wrote that as "pro-Israeli" but perhaps you are of a different opinion?
So you admit that nothing positive has been done for the Palestinians?
I'm not admitting anything, I was asking Seriously though, what do you feel that Israel or the US "owes" to the Palestinians? The Pal track record against Israel isnt exactly spotless now is it?
To answer your question you'll need to see a pattern of retaliation going on from my questions 2-4.
Well, if we begin in 1967, you get Israel winning a war against her neighbors. After that the Palestinians start using guerilla tactics, then they escalate them into terrorist tactics. I suppose Israel should have lost the six days war instead to keep the Palestinians happy? Between 1967 and up to 1971 Israel was fighting a war of attrition against Egypt and Jordan. But this was a low scale, low intensity war, so I dont thing most people have even heard about it. Is this what you are aiming for?
Israeli casualties are going up. I fear if the next round might be biological in nature and casualties will skyrocket. Remember this: It is not important what you think of your enemy but what your enemy thinks of you for they are the ones that will carry out the attacks on you. The higher the level of hatred, the greater the severity of the attack.
Again, cause and effect.
Israeli casualties are mounting. That is why I suspect we will soon start to see asymmetrical responses from the IDF. Since Israel cannot win a war of attrition, they will probably start retaliating much more harshly than the attacks might seem to motivate.
As for the bio weapons thing. Actually I think Israel is the safest place in the world when it comes to the risk of bio weapons. Two reasons for this. First there are alot of arabs living in and close to Israel. Second most nations with bio weapons know that if Israel is hit by bio weapons, they will respond with nuclear weapons. The Israelis are the only ones with balls enough to nuke Baghdad or Damascus. Everyone knows this, thats why they wont attack with those weapons. The US are in severe danger of bio weapons though.
Really? I thought they started in '68-69.
I dunno, as I said, I thought they started in 70. If you know of any previous hijack, you are more than welcome to educate me.
But at least you could give me that the hijackings in 1970 were aimed at Jordan? Didnt I at least show that?
Agreed. Perhaps now you'll give us your expertise on the hijackings of '68 and 69. Thank you in advance
See above
Perhaps if you knew more about cause and effect we'd be more in agreement. So, you're basically saying the casualties and displacement suffered by the Palestinians didn't create more and stronger hatred? Oh, I get it. The Palestinian terrorists killed the Israeli olympic team because they were pissed at the Jordanians. Well, we know the Jordanians learned from THAT lesson.
Uh, no thats not what I was saying at all. You asked what events might have lead up to the Munich attack. I said that what took place in Jordan in 1970 might have more to do with those attacks than you'd think. You have to remember that Syria and Jordan went to war with eachother over the PLO. And that the war ended with Jordan throwing the PLO out of the country.
I thought I was. I'll clarify it for you. From the first suicide bombing by a Palestinian supporter in the early '90s to the present.
So the complete question would be: What events previous and during by the Israelis might have led to the suicide bombings, from the first suicide bombing by a Palestinian supporter in the early '90s to the present?
Well, ok, lets see, the first suicide bombing in the 90s that I am aware of was in 1993. Between 1993 and 2002 the Israel policy towards the Palestinians has changed and changed again, so much in fact that it would be pointless to try to draw any conclusions from it. That is why I wanted you to be more specific.
BTW, how come someone of your supposed intellegence and maturity keep including insults with your posts? Are your facts not valid enough to stand on their own merits?
I have little patience with terrorist supporters. Whether you people realize this or not, that is exactly what you are. There are two sides in this conflict, democracies and terrorists. You cant have both, and if you say neither, you are giving the terrorists at least quiet support.
