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Offline Boroda

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« Reply #165 on: May 30, 2002, 08:56:12 AM »
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Well, I was thinking more about this quote:
"Kill him any time you meet him. "


It's a quote from a poem by Constantine Simonov called "If Your Home is Valuable to You" ("Yesli dorog tebe tvoy dom"). You can't throw away a word from a song, sorry.

http://lib.ru/PROZA/SIMONOV/stihi.txt

Looks like some of the nazis stayed alive. :(

Your words sent to Sweedish authorities. Damn, I hate to report :( In fact - never done it before....

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« Reply #166 on: May 30, 2002, 09:01:10 AM »
Did you send the link to the entire thread Boroda?

If you waste Sweden's time with an innocent man only voicing an opinion to refute you there will most likely be repercussions- on you.

You reap what you sow.
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« Reply #167 on: May 30, 2002, 09:03:51 AM »
It doesnt matter AKSwulfe..."Swedish authorities" wont bother with this since I havent violated Swedish law. Actually I am kinda curious as to where he reported this...the State department?

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« Reply #168 on: May 30, 2002, 09:08:03 AM »
I will accept any decision from any authority, and I'll appreciate any, including any form of punishment for me, for personal insults and using inappropriate lexics.

It is worth it.

Sure, I have sent a link to the whole thread. Again - I am not going to stand it. I will go to the very end.

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« Reply #169 on: May 30, 2002, 09:08:19 AM »
LOL! Atleast our Swedish authorities will have them selfes a good laughter this week :)
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« Reply #170 on: May 30, 2002, 09:09:50 AM »
BTW, who says there is a military base on Åland? :rolleyes:
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« Reply #171 on: May 30, 2002, 09:11:54 AM »
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It doesnt matter AKSwulfe..."Swedish authorities" wont bother with this since I havent violated Swedish law.


Nice country you live in. Way to go.

Again: I will go to the very end. I am not going to stand any amazinhunk advocating nazis hiding behind a so-called "freedom of speech".

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« Reply #172 on: May 30, 2002, 09:16:00 AM »
I like that poem, Boroda. Kind of similar to some of the ideas posted here.

He asked for it, that's his fault
Let his house burn down, not yours

and stuff like that. Good poem.

But the point is, many westerners are seriously underestimating the magnitude of the sacrifice the Russian people had to make in order to defeat the Germans. And obviously, it's a very touchy subject. And to say that "a couple of bad guys got into a fight, almost killed each other - who cares, good riddance" is just plain wrong.

PS. I wish Hortlund was French, so I could use the usual "How long does it take a French guy to say "We surrender!" bit :))

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« Reply #173 on: May 30, 2002, 09:18:45 AM »
In that case Hortlund- this has stooped to a new all time low for UBB disagreements.

Boroda, what would you do if a guy in bar disagrees with you? Smash a bottle over his head and turn him into your local gestapo? (term used loosely)

You should know better than anyone your military was severly weakened if not brought to it's knees by Stalin's purges. You should also know your government didn't believe Germany was attacking it nor did they give an official order to defend until well after the Germans had returned to base.

Your military was in general disarray and this resulted in millions of lives lost on Russia's part. The only things that saved Russia was the winter, and being in dug in positions in some areas- but military cohesian was certainly not one of them.
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« Reply #174 on: May 30, 2002, 09:19:08 AM »
Hmm...well, Boroda, if you actually read what I have posted on this thread, you will realize that I have not advocated any nazis at all. In fact I have said in many posts that I think they were criminal, evil wrongdoers. Personally I cannot understand the revisionists, IMO they are insane they are trying to defend the un-defendable.

What I have done is pointed out that the Soviets were just as bad as the nazis.

A fact that apparently was too much for you to handle.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2002, 09:21:14 AM by Hortlund »

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« Reply #175 on: May 30, 2002, 09:22:40 AM »
AKSWolfe,

so the winter was THE ONLY thing that saved the outcome of the war? ;-)

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« Reply #176 on: May 30, 2002, 09:27:41 AM »
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What I have done is pointed out that the Soviets were just as bad as the nazis.

A fact that apparently was too much for you to handle.


If it is the fact, where the proofs? If there are no proofs, it not the fact.

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« Reply #177 on: May 30, 2002, 09:33:01 AM »
People don't like having their heros desecrated.

No doubt the Russian winter aided the Soviets in their defense. So did the incredible resolve of those people starving in St. Petersburg (Leningrad), the amazing relocation of factories eastward, and heroic accomplishments of the Red Army in very difficult situations. We who were not there will never understand the horror of war. Those of us who were more insulated from NAZI aggression may not have feelings as strong as those shown by Boroda.
Hortlund. You and I may agree on the evils of communism, but equating Russians to Nazi's is like pouring kerosene on a smoldering fire.

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« Reply #178 on: May 30, 2002, 09:34:40 AM »
Gee, am I lucky that I do not belong to a military nation. And yet, our Icelandic fishermen fed the British empire as well as they could by crossing the dangerous seas in their small vessels.
am: : I guess this one was aimed at me :
"You repeat propagation of the doctor Gebbels. Russian certainly prepared for war. But all their scripts of war began with reflection of attack, instead of from an attack. You can one million time speak, that Russian prepared to attack in 42, but it is all your imagination."
Well, I never read much of Goebbels work, in fact the bastard's propoganda makes me sick to the stomach. But this is not my "imagination", but a source on former "TOP SECRET" russian documents retrived from russian archives after the fall of the iron curtain. (This was followed up in the TV series "the cold war".) Aside from that, I do not think this is so unbelivable, - russian policy at the time was an aggressive one. But anyway, the Germans DID start the show, and they DID (in my opinion) top the scale of murder and crime.
However, had the russians been the aggressor, I doubt that the brutality would have been much less.
And Horthund, this one from you:
"The evil Nazis invaded the evil Russians. This was good for the less evil English, and the relatively good Americans. In the end, the evil Russians defeated the evil Nazis with the help from the not so evil English and the relatively good Americans. The evil Russians then enslaved most of Eastern europe. "
:D
Good one, and I agree with the most of it.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #179 on: May 30, 2002, 09:38:47 AM »
AKSWulfe - please go buy yourself a book, looks like you don't own any.

My Grandfather was in the Army since 1939. Got his first Red Star for delivering first jet mortars to the front, then another Red Star and Red Banner for eight months at the front line, Guards Mortar Troops. Grand Uncle - captured near Kharkov in 1942, 2 years in nazi camps, then a successfull jailbreak. Another Grand Uncle killed on April, 7th, 1945 in Koeningsberg. He was 17... Other 3 Grand Uncles survived, one of them being an Imperial Army capitain, had to volunteer as a soldier in 1941... Father - a navy cadet since 1943, in sieged Leningrad...

Frost, you say?!

As AM already said - they were about to kill 90% of Slavic population. Thanks to the people I mentioned above - we still are allowed to live on this planet.

And what do I see here!? Another motherdiddlyer stating that WE WERE THE EVIL SIDE!?

If you don't want a soldier's portrait with crosses
To be thrown to the floor by a nazi
And that nazi will step on his face
At your Mother's eyes -

Kill at least one of them,
Kill him right  now!
Every time you will meet him -
Kill him again!