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Offline funkedup

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F-15C Is Junk!!! USAF Doomed By Ivan's Superior Sukhoi!
« on: May 25, 2002, 12:51:48 AM »
http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_military.jsp?view=story&id=news/m15vsu0524.xml

I'm glad to see they are remembering the old lessons about how to get funding.  We must prevent a Fighter Gap!  :)
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2002, 01:09:36 AM »
Sign up for the Eurofighter, then talk to me about the fighter gap.
Besides didn't Kurt Tank invent both the F-15 an Su-27?
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2002, 01:57:20 AM »
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I'm glad to see they are remembering the old lessons about how to get funding.


Didn't they allready got the funding for F-22s?

But you are damn right, no other plane in the world can beat F-15 or any other US plane for that matter...that's just impossible.
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2002, 02:20:10 AM »
Mmmmh....I agree that if it was completely true, USAF wouldn't like to see this info leak into the press....so an official report lke this one would be completely out of the question.

However, I'm sure a prudent F15 pilot would respectfully consider a Su30....
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2002, 03:21:05 AM »
Wmaker, funding for the F-22 has been strangled.  The plane is nowhere near being combat-ready.  They are still getting enough money to work on the project but it could have been finished many years ago if it had been funded fully.
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2002, 04:37:17 AM »
I see funked. I have read news about its development and it seemed going well.

Tough I've heard about this money issue also. There was some talk in the US congress that if they could drop F-22 project and upgrade F-15 and save some money in the process (NASA's F-15 ACTIVE experimental aircraft's one purpose was to investigate this possibility).

When they started flight experiments at Edwards AFB I tought those budged problems were left behind.
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2002, 01:49:26 PM »
Wmaker when they started this project it was still during the Cold War.  It was felt then that the survival of western civilization depended on military superiority.  So things like the F-22 got however much money they needed.  But right at the time the first prototypes were taking flight, the Berlin Wall came down, the USSR ceased to exist, and the F-22 project has since then been operating with much less money than what was originally envisioned.  7 years between first flight of prototype and first flight of production version.  That would have been unimaginable during the Cold War.  

I wish they would just get on with it and finish the damn thing.  If we finish F-22 we don't have to worry about a new fighter for a loooooooooooong time.  Spend whatever it takes and complete the project.  I would hate to see the hard work of so many people thrown away by cancelling the project or prolonging it until 2020.
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2002, 02:16:47 PM »
Funked, Soviet aircraft doctrine was mostly defencive. Imagine a barrier of SAMs from 250+km range S-200s, short-range low-alt S-125s, good ol' S-75s, supplied with targeting info by enormous grid of Radio-Technical Troops, with MiG-31s over their heads, each "zveno" covering ~1500km of frontline, with frontline firghters like MiG-29 or Su-27 used only as corks in the holes...

Any fighter even as good as F-22 will endure no more then 5 minutes after crossing the targeting range. So - it's quite clever to save your taxpayers money. You can bomb Afghan peasants "to stone age" with something like B-29s or B-52s. You already have an experience.
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2002, 02:26:03 PM »
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You can bomb Afghan peasants "to stone age" with something like B-29s or B-52s. You already have an experience.


Ya, you should know since your country tried this already, the difference being you got owned, and the USA didn't.

Also, that impenetrable SAM/AAA ring you talk about won't work so well if you get the Iraqi special.  E M P
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2002, 02:31:53 PM »
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Ya, you should know since your country tried this already, the difference being you got owned, and the USA didn't.

Also, that impenetrable SAM/AAA ring you talk about won't work so well if you get the Iraqi special.  E M P


Frankly speaking - I didn't understand what you meant. All words are familiar, but I don't understand the conclusion.

If you think that you own Afghanistan - you are mistaken. If you think that Arabs fight at least 10% as good as Soviets - you are mistaken too...
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2002, 03:51:56 PM »
I believe he was saying , Afgan was russia's Viet Nam
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2002, 03:58:59 PM »
Why didnt they simply replaced the F-15's with Russian fighters until the F-22 was done? ;)
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2002, 06:55:10 PM »
Boroda-Before our planes entered the target lines, most of your defenses would already been degraded, if not destroyed.
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2002, 07:41:38 PM »
HARM
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2002, 07:48:32 PM »
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Boroda-Before our planes entered the target lines, most of your defenses would already been degraded, if not destroyed.


Can ya back that statement up.

Cause I could counter argue, "No, they wouldn't be."
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