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Offline Dr Zhivago

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« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2002, 06:18:53 AM »
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Pick is showing Fw190 A-6/R6, werknr 550214 and unit NJG11 or 8./JG 11...
2./NJGr 10, NJG 101 and 1./NJG 10 used Fw190 A6 and A8s as night fighters (fitted with flame dampers, FuG 217 J-2 "Neptun" or  FuG 216 with Letzler aerials)
But this plane lacks radar antennas so its more likely part of JG11...
This factory drawing ? shows 190 gondola armament etc
Orginal pick quality was much better but was too big to attach here :(:o
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« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2002, 08:58:42 AM »
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Heinkel, your first picture shows a 190 with two Mk108 pods, the second one is with Mk103 pods.
The Mk103 armed 190s were mainly used in the russian front against tanks. AFAIK, the results against ground units were not outstanding compared to the usage of bombs and rockets

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Yup, i found this too. Adding the 190 w/ 30mm's might also be possible...

"The FW-190A-8 was upgraded to include the GM1 nitrous system. Heavily armored and armed the FW-190A-8/R3 was used as both a bomber-killer and a tank destroyer. Its MK 103 cannon, while slower than the Rustatz 2's MK 108, achieved better accuracy through its longer barrel. This accuracy proved a great asset when attacking fast moving Soviet tank columns on the extensive Eastern Front"
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« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2002, 01:07:43 PM »
Here ya go 190F8 carried it as well

Fw 190F-8/R1 Attack aircraft, armed with 2 × 0.51 in (13 mm) MG 131 fuselage-mounted guns and 4 × 20 mm MG 151/20 wing-mounted cannon as well as underwing bombs on 4 × ETC 71 racks.
Fw 190F-8/R2 Attack aircraft, armed with 2 × 0.51 in (13 mm) MG 131 fuselage-mounted guns and 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 wing-mounted cannon, supplemented by 2 × 30 mm MK 108 cannon in underwing gondolas.
Fw 190F-8/R3 Attack aircraft, armed with 2 × 0.51 in (13 mm) MG 131 guns and 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon, supplemented by 2 × 30 mm MK 103 underwing cannon for tank-busting operations.
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Offline Heinkel

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« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2002, 01:45:33 PM »
Yup, the "R3" package, which included the Mk103's could be fitted to and was fitted to the 190 A-6, 190 A-7, 190 A-8, and the 190 F-8
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Offline Hristo

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« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2002, 03:33:37 PM »
So, do we have a missing loadout option for our Fw 190A-8 ?

And that being a pair of underwing MK103s ?

Seems so...now we wait ;)
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« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2002, 05:24:32 PM »
Only a handful of prototype 190s flew with MK 103.  Don't confuse it with MK 108 which was used on 190s flown by specialist bomber interceptor units.
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« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2002, 05:29:10 PM »
Weather the 190's were prototypes or not, there were some 190A-8's that flew Combat Sorties with Mk103's against russian tanks.
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« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2002, 06:58:13 PM »
What would be best is to see the Me410B-2/U2/R3 which carried two MG151/20s and two MK103s, or an Me410B-2/U4 which crried two MK103s and one 50mm BK 5 gun supplied with 21 rounds.

The Me410 would be a very nice addition to AH.

Hopefully the Me410 and MK103 are both introduced in AH v1.11.

(BTW, Pyro once posted that the three aircraft he most wanted to do were the Me410, H8K "Emily" and Storch.  There is hope.)
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« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2002, 02:53:19 AM »
What IMO we are missing is a 190A8 using a big GM1 bottle instead the aux fuel tank to increase its poor performance above 20k. Even the chance to fly the 190A8 with or without that tank, as well as the chance to remove the pair of Mg131 (option available for almost any USAF plane), or to choice the ammount of ammo loaded for these weapons.
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« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2002, 12:46:53 PM »
You know, I'd love to have the 50mm 262.

Would be cool if HTC would give us a 262B-2A armed only with the 50mm nose gun and the bombs it could load. At 10 perk cost itd make one hell of a fun cheap perk plane.

50mm would make it a very poor anti-buff or anti-fighter plane (extremely low refire..youd have to REALLY aim the sucker hehe).

:)
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« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2002, 08:06:47 AM »
Can we add these variatns to AH.........kidding


Focke-Wulf FW 190 (20,087 all variants)
      FW 190V # (86 some Ta 152)
      FW 190A-0 (11)
      FW 190A-1 (100)
      FW 190A-2
      FW 190A-3
      FW 190A-3/U-1
      FW 190A-3/U-3
      FW 190A-3/U-7
      FW 190A-3/Trop
      FW 190A-4
      FW 190A-4/U1
      FW 190A-4/R6
      FW 190A-4/U8
      FW 190A-4/Trop
      FW 190A-5
      FW 190A-5/R6
      FW 190A-5/U2
      FW 190A-5/U3
      FW 190A-5/U6
      FW 190A-5/U8
      FW 190A-5/U10 #
      FW 190A-5/U11
      FW 190A-5/U12
      FW 190A-5/U13
      FW 190A-5/U16
      FW 190A-5/U17 # (prototype 190F-3)
      FW 190A-5/Trop
      FW 190A-6
      FW 190A-6/R1
      FW 190A-6/R2
      FW 190A-6/R3
      FW 190A-6/R4
      FW 190A-6/R6
      FW 190A-6/Trop
      FW 190A-7
      FW 190A-7/R1
      FW 190A-7/R2
      FW 190A-7/R3
      FW 190A-7/R4
      FW 190A-7/R6
      FW 190A-7/Trop
      FW 190A-8
      FW 190A-8/R1
      FW 190A-8/R2
      FW 190A-8/R3
      FW 190A-8/R4
      FW 190A-8/R6
      FW 190A-8/R7
      FW 190A-8/R11
      FW 190A-8/R12
      FW 190A-9
      FW 190A-9/R1
      FW 190A-9/R2
      FW 190A-9/R3
      FW 190A-9/R4
      FW 190A-9/R6
      FW 190A-9/R11
      FW 190A-9/R12
      FW 190A-9/Trop
      FW 190A-10 #
      FW 190B # (3 converted from 190A-1)
      FW 190B-1 (1 incomplete)
      FW 190C-0 # (6, 1 converted from 190A-0)
      FW 190D-0 (10 converted from A-7s)
      FW 190D-9
      FW 190D-9/R11
      FW 190D-10 (2 converted from 190D-0s)
      FW 190D-11 (7)
      FW 190D-12
      FW 190D-12/R5
      FW 190D-12/R11
      FW 190D-12/R21
      FW 190D-12/R25
      FW 190D-13
      FW 190D-13/R5
      FW 190D-13/R11
      FW 190D-13/R21
      FW 190D-13/R25
      FW 190D-14 (2, 1 each converted from 190D-9 and 190D-12)
      FW 190D-15 proposal only (conversions of 190A-8 and 190F-8)
      FW 190F-1
      FW 190F-2
      FW 190F-3
      FW 190F-3/R1
      FW 190F-3/R3
      FW 190F-8
      FW 190F-8/R1
      FW 190F-8/R2
      FW 190F-8/R3
      FW 190F-8/R5
      FW 190F-8/R8
      FW 190F-8/R11
      FW 190F-8/R14
      FW 190F-8/R15
      FW 190F-8/R16
      FW 190F-9
      FW 190F-10 proposal only
      FW 190F-11 proposal only
      FW 190F-12 proposal only
      FW 190F-13 proposal only
      FW 190F-14 proposal only
      FW 190F-15 # (1)
      FW 190F-16 # (1)
      FW 190G-0
      FW 190G-1
      FW 190G-2
      FW 190G-3
      FW 190G-4
      FW 190G-7 proposal only
      FW 190G-8
      FW 190H-1 proposal only
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« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2002, 08:59:12 AM »
Heinkel, how many /R3 MK103 gun pods kits were manufactured for use on the Fw?
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Offline Dr Zhivago

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« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2002, 09:10:08 AM »
hhhhmmmm.... just add Ta 154 A1 to game  :p

Ta 154 A-1 "Schwerer Jäger, Nachtjäger"

Max speed: 385-435mph (620-700kmh)
Armament
2 x 30 mm MK 108        (110 rds each)
2 x 20 mm MG 151/20   (200 rds each)
2 x 30 mm MK 108 at "Schräge Musik"
-FuG 220 Lictenstein SN-2 radar (Nachtjäger)
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Offline Heinkel

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« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2002, 01:48:57 PM »
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Heinkel, how many /R3 MK103 gun pods kits were
manufactured for use on the Fw?


Like funked said, just a handful.  A few squads were equpied with them on the East front.
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Offline MiloMorai

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« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2002, 08:41:13 PM »
In other words the /R3 was 'few and far between' when it came to operational JG usage.
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