Author Topic: Chiming in on the "Perk La7" Movement (Read 1257 times)

MrLars · « **Reply #15 on:** May 27, 2002, 04:01:00 PM »

Perk the La7?

Learn to fight it instead.

I've flown it a lot since it's introduction to AH and with the exception of it's acceleration there is absolutly nothing uber about it.

Guns: Terrible balistics. You have to be within 3-400yds for most kills...unlike the 6-800yd .50's and Hispanos. The guns suck horse hockey, now if it had Hispanos....

Speed: Although it has great low alt speed but it compresses above 450mph to the point where a P51 can easily out turn it. The La7 bleeds E quickly and a good La7 pilot will use that to their advantage. A simple barrel roll will quickly put you in position to get on it's 6 since the La7 can't follow you through it if he's in a high speed persuit. Nothing uber about it's speed other than it's acceleration at low alt.

Toughness: Although people have complained about this a lot there is good reason for it's ability to absorb damage because of it's wooden construction. However, I've been killed from D1000 by someones .50's all too many times and cannon rounds will shred it just like any other plane in AH.

Turning: At optimal speed it turns great , bleed it's E and it's a dump truck with wings. I can stay in a turnfight with a Spit for 2 maybe 3 turns before I have to look for and escape route...nothing uber about it's turning capibilities.

People have a habit of looking up ones scores to support their La7 whine, that their are looking at scores shows that they think that having a good score or rank is the telltail factor of an uber plane tells me that they haven't a clue.

I have enough perks to last a lifetime in AH the way I use perks...that is not an issue for me. What is an issue for me is people comming in here trying to force HTC to perk a plane that has some very good qualities and some very bad weaknesses solely on their experience of getting killed by it.

"I flew it some, it's too uber...perk it" is not learning it's weaknesses, do so and you'll have no problem fighting them.

Back to the AH whine network

leon · « **Reply #16 on:** May 27, 2002, 04:06:01 PM »

LePaul: "They out accelerate, out climb, outrun and outgun everything in the Main Arena."

1) Actually I do not agree with "outgun". Fact is LA7 guns have quite bad ballistic.

2) "outrun" -- low alts only

3) "outclimb" -- low alts only

Wilbus · « **Reply #17 on:** May 27, 2002, 04:20:57 PM »

Agree Lepaul.

LePaul · « **Reply #18 on:** May 27, 2002, 05:16:35 PM »

Yeeps!

I just wandered back to the BBS expecting 3, maybe 4 replies (or flames) and see 17. Yikes!

AKCurly....you wouldn't be a lawyer now, with ya? (With talk like that!). May I supeona (sp?) some dweebs from the Main? hehe

On 3 occasions this weekend, I've had Ar 234s, with their wings screeching and making those "go any faster, you wont have wings" sounds (550 mph), La7's have climbed and caught up to me, and lobbed their cannons at me and scored kills. Poor ballsitics my arse

Some of you guys make some good points, but from my chair, this is dejavu of the F4-C thing all over again.

Thanks for entertaining my thoughts

sling322 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 27, 2002, 05:42:36 PM »

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Originally posted by LePaul

On 3 occasions this weekend, I've had Ar 234s, with their wings screeching and making those "go any faster, you wont have wings" sounds (550 mph), La7's have climbed and caught up to me, and lobbed their cannons at me and scored kills. Poor ballsitics my arse

Got film?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #20 on:** May 27, 2002, 05:51:04 PM »

Shut up!

LA7 sucks. So do most LA7 pilots.

No perk here....

Creamo · « **Reply #21 on:** May 27, 2002, 05:52:09 PM »

On 3 occasions this weekend, I've had Ar 234s, with their wings screeching and making those "go any faster, you wont have wings" sounds (550 mph), La7's have climbed and caught up to me, and lobbed their cannons at me and scored kills. Poor ballsitics my ars

I don't see how exaggerating to the point of outright lying is going to help your La7 boo hoo cause.

Pongo · « **Reply #22 on:** May 27, 2002, 06:45:17 PM »

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Originally posted by LePaul
On 3 occasions this weekend, I've had Ar 234s, with their wings screeching and making those "go any faster, you wont have wings" sounds (550 mph), La7's have climbed and caught up to me, and lobbed their cannons at me and scored kills. Poor ballsitics my arse

Some of you guys make some good points, but from my chair, this is dejavu of the F4-C thing all over again.

Thanks for entertaining my thoughts

I have had an la7 diving after me and not catching me till I ran out of gas. Even with one engine.

Ozark · « **Reply #23 on:** May 27, 2002, 06:51:19 PM »

Hey Pyro! Ya'll mind putting a 5 point perk on the LA-7?

Thank you sir.

Karnak · « **Reply #24 on:** May 27, 2002, 07:32:11 PM »

Man, I hate the La-7.

When I am flying my prefered ride and I see an La-7 that is anything like co-E, I can only hope he goes for the HO. If he doesn't, I die. It out runs, climbs, dives, accelerates and turns my prefered ride. Verm, it out turns P-51Ds, I know because my prefered ride out turns P-51Ds and not La-7s.

My prefered ride is the Mosquito Mk VI.

I despise La-7s.

That all said, perk it?

Are you nuts? Its not perk worthy. Its not versatile enough, it is not good enough and it is not used enough.

Innominate · « **Reply #25 on:** May 27, 2002, 07:40:07 PM »

We have the ta152 perked because at high altitudes it easily outperforms just about anything. Spend 10minutes climbing above everyone, then waiting for someone else to, and you can outperform them!

We also have the LA7, which on the deck, outperforms just about anything, Sure it can't turn all that well, but it accellerates so fast, the option to run is always there. Plus the la7 does 400mph on the deck, which I think says it all. Spend a few seconds taking off and you can already outperform just about anything you need to deal with. The only real disadvantage I see on the la7, is the need to get close into your target, but with it's speed, thats not difficult.

La7 should cost 2-3 perks. Cheap enough that a good sortie in it will pay for it, but enough to slow down the dweebs a bit.

Blue Mako · « **Reply #26 on:** May 27, 2002, 07:48:07 PM »

Quit whining about it and starting learning how to kill it, if you go into the fight thinking it's uber you'll never beat it. A poorly flown La7 is a cheap kill, a well flown La7 is a challenge. Oh and flying with a wingman helps too.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #27 on:** May 27, 2002, 08:14:27 PM »

My prefered ride is the Mosquito Mk VI.

Why does a Mosquito outturn a P51D?

Karnak · « **Reply #28 on:** May 27, 2002, 08:32:33 PM »

Lower wing loading and higher powerloading I think.

All I know is that in AH I can slowly gain on a P-51D in a turning duel. If he BnZs me I have real problems though.

Mossie out turns the Bf109G-6, but not the Bf109G-2.

P-51D:

Wing area: 235sq.ft
Powerplant: one 1,695hp V-1650-7 Merlin Vee
Empty weight: 7,635lbs
Empty wingloading: 32.49lbs/sq.ft
Empty powerloading: 4.5lbs/hp
Max weight: 12,100lbs
Max wingloading: 51.49lbs/sq.ft
Max powerloading: 7.14lbs/hp

Mosquito FB.VI:

Wing area: 454sq.ft
Powerplant: two 1,620hp Merlin 25s (3,240hp total)
Empty weight: 14,300lbs
Empty wingloading: 31.5lbs/sq.ft
Empty powerloading: 4.41lbs/hp
Typical takeoff weight: 19,500lbs
Typical wingloading: 42.95lbs/sq.ft
Typical powerloading: 6.02lbs/hp
Max weight: 22,300lbs
Max wingloading: 49.12lbs/sq.ft
Max powerloading: 6.88lbs/hp

My most common loadouts for the Mosquito in AH are the overload of ammo, 50% or 75% fuel and no bombs or rockets. I usually use it as a fighter.

Turbot · « **Reply #29 on:** May 27, 2002, 08:46:19 PM »

As i understand it, the perk system isn't because plane X flys well or not but instead to regulate the numbers flown. All this to achieve the arena balance HTC feels is appropriate and any parallel to any other reasoning is purely coincidental.