Chiming in on the "Perk La7" Movement

[LePaul]

I've resisted complaining about this plane on the BBS for a while, instead, taking note of what others have said and think.

(Here's my nomination, Rude...)

I tend to agree with a good many people's thoughts on it.  Perk the sonuvasqueak.

Why?

Its among the few airplanes one can jump into (be it flight sim nut, Command & Conquer Junkie or what have you/no skills pilot plane) and be an ace in.

I'm really growing weary of a sky full of these uber planes.  They out accelerate, out climb, outrun and outgun everything in the Main Arena.  I love a good dogfight, and have no problem dying at the hands of a *skilled* pilot whose mastered his aircraft...some of these planes, I still can't fly well .  But dying to an uberly-modeled plane like an La7 is much harder to swallow for me...

So, while abstaining for a while, I completely agree with the "Perk the La7" crowd.  We've got last summers F4-C problem all over again, in the La-7  

Or make something we can counter it with...say, a F-16 Fighting Falcon complete with Sidewinders (which Im sure it could out manuever lol)

[MANDOBLE]

U will need something armed with AIM54C to damage the beast, aim9 will only cause it to smoke forever.

[vorticon]

hmm for some reason most people in the hth never fly the la-7. on occasion they fly spits. then some total moron comes in and complains on our board. funny how the MA is a breeding spot for no talent n00bs who can kill you good pilots


if you can get killed by a N00B your NOT good. a good pilot can kill almost any enemy in ANY  plane. people complain about my hurri because it can kill a N00B in a spit. thats not luck thats skill and n00b retardednesss...force a HO on the idots those hispanos will take care of em.

[Nifty]

If the La-7 is such a good non-perk plane, then when I fly it I should do better than in any other non-perk plane I fly, right?  And if there is a plane that I do better than a La-7, then that plane should surely be perked before the La-7.  I mean after all, my skill is the same regardless (skill level = not very good).

So in light of that...  Perk the Spit V.  I'm much better in it than I am in the La-7!

[akak]

Originally posted by LePaul
I've resisted complaining about this plane on the BBS for a while, instead, taking note of what others have said and think.

(Here's my nomination, Rude...)

I tend to agree with a good many people's thoughts on it.  Perk the sonuvasqueak.

Why?

Its among the few airplanes one can jump into (be it flight sim nut, Command & Conquer Junkie or what have you/no skills pilot plane) and be an ace in.

I'm really growing weary of a sky full of these uber planes.  They out accelerate, out climb, outrun and outgun everything in the Main Arena.  I love a good dogfight, and have no problem dying at the hands of a *skilled* pilot whose mastered his aircraft...some of these planes, I still can't fly well .  But dying to an uberly-modeled plane like an La7 is much harder to swallow for me...

So, while abstaining for a while, I completely agree with the "Perk the La7" crowd.  We've got last summers F4-C problem all over again, in the La-7  

Or make something we can counter it with...say, a F-16 Fighting Falcon complete with Sidewinders (which Im sure it could out manuever lol)

It's funny how people scream to perk a plane instead of using sound, well thought out tactics against these "uber" planes.  

The only plane that should be perked is the Me262 and if you can't kill one of these so-called "uber" planes like the La7, Niki, Dweebfire, etc...then maybe you need to think about contacting a trainer for some much needed help.  Here's one tip that will get you going, it's not the plane but the pilot that makes the difference...



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[Steven]

I agree that the LA7 is a great menace.  

If buffs become more of a threat, I hope we see many more planes cruising at a high altitude which may be the great equalizer on the LA7, though I've read lately the LA7 actually performs well up there too.  I'm no aircraft expert, but if we see higher altitude activity, I'd guess an increase in the LW and P-xx useage.  On a side-note, if we are going to have an increase in buff numbers, I'd like to see contrails which can be used to help determine their altitude.

I fly the F4U-1 and here's what typically happens to me in a large MA furball:  

1.  An LA7 spots me and he runs me down forcing me to turn which thereby causes me to lose a great deal of my speed which is now gone forever due to the poor acceleration rate of the F4U-1.

2.  There are, of course, twenty Spitfires flying around in the furball and two or three just happen to be there when the LA7 forces me to turn and the Spitfires dive down forcing me to turn even more and now I'm hovering on a stall in my wallowing pig of a 'hog'.

3.  I'm back at the tower grumbling about them "no skill" aircraft.

4.  I come back with an altitude advantage and dive down sweeping through the furball targeting some target fixated LA7 or Spitfire and then run and get called a no-skill dweeb by whoever it is I've forced into the silk.  

[sling322]

Here we go again.  

Why is it that as soon as someone cant figure out how to kill a plane they yell "Perk it!"?  

I cant say that I really run into them that much, but when I do I really dont see that they are that great.  I have flown 'em a few times and all of you folks yelling about their uberness must be on crack or something.  Aside from speed, I dont see what they got that makes it such a monster that needs perking.  

1. They dont turn that well.

2. They have terrible guns with bad ballistics.

3. Very small ammo load.

[Steven]

Mr. Nifty:  <>

I have to disagree with my fellow Mongrel.  You cannot compare an aircraft you know like the back of your hand with one you have very little experience in.  I'd hate to see you flying an LA7 if you had the same amount of experience in it like you do in a Spitfire (actually, I would fear you in anything you fly.)  Take an inexperienced pilot and place him in the LA7 and F4U-1 and see how he does, and that's a good way to compare the aircraft.  

I don't say perk the LA7, I say UNPERK the F4U-4.  (I'd love running down LA7s....heh heh )

woof!

[Steven]

Everytime I post there's a new one.

<<1. They dont turn that well.>>
Compared to what?!?   With the way that thing accelerates, it should be an excellent turner.

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by Steven
Everytime I post there's a new one.

<<1. They dont turn that well.>>
Compared to what?!?   With the way that thing accelerates, it should be an excellent turner.

It sure dont. I think it sucks overall myself. Only time one hardly ever kills me is those real good bnz types who fly it. Ammo load sucks turn rate sucks and it sucks over 18k. Perk it? sheesh...

[Vermillion]

The problem is guys, is that the usage numbers say that your full of crap.  The La7 is not even the most used aircraft, and if I remember right it wasn't even in the top three.  Unlike the F4U-1C which totally dominated the rest of the aircraft in usage numbers, when it was perked.  I say perk the Spitfire !! Its used a hell of alot more.

Steven, the La7 has approximately the same sustained turn rate as the P51D Mustang.  Is it a "great turner?".  Again, if I remember right its 360 degree turn times are within a second of the P-51D.

[AKcurly]

Originally posted by LePaul

Its among the few airplanes one can jump into (be it flight sim nut, Command & Conquer Junkie or what have you/no skills pilot plane) and be an ace in.

That is total BS.  Not one fact is present.

curly

[eskimo2]

I think the problem with the LA-7 is that there are quite a few planes that it out performs in all respects.  Most planes can out-turn the LA-7.  Those planes have an out when confronting an LA-7.  

The planes that turn worse than the LA-7, however, are really in a bind.  They certainly can't out-climb or out-run it, and out-diving isn't a great option either.  

Most planes have at least one handling advantage over any other plane.  The LA-7 seems to be ubber in all respects to many others.

eskimo

[Heinkel]

The thing with the La7 is, that it can controll the fight. If the La7 is facing anything except an La7, it can controll the fight. It can engage when it wants, and it can disengage when it wants. For somthing that was made outta wood, it also seems pretty strong. As i have said in the past, i am all for giving the La7 a small perk value of 2 or 3 say, and giving other planes, like the p51 or Dora a small perk value too, of 2-3.

[Steven]

A lot of you know more about all this than me, so this is a good learning tool for me.  

I know the LA7 has monster power and acceleration and I always thought this was a big factor in turning.  As you slow down you have less G available generally and also, the biggie, you lose the ability to pull the nose above the horizon to make a chandelle and thus shorten the actual distance travelled horizontally.  The LA7 can make up for any defficiency in airspeed in a dofight very quickly and better than most other aircraft.  And though I've never flown the LA7, I'll bet it's low-speed characterstics are better than my F4U-1  .  

Are sustained turns measured strictly in the horizontal?  I have no clue, but if so, then I would think it has little to do with an actual dogfight.  I'm reminded of how the powerful F-4 Phantom II was instructed to fight against the tight-turning MiG-17 Frescos....use its power and acceleration to advantage.  Once an LA7 herds most other aircraft types low it's just a matter of time, it seems to me.  Knowing the LA7 turns about the same as the P-51 and assuming the LA7 has more power available, I'd be sure to maneuver with my nose slightly higher in an LA7 in that situation.

Seriously, I don't think the LA7 really needs to be perked.  But it is a monster and I'm very wary when I meet one without a clear altitude/speed advantage.  So, tell me how I kill an LA7 in my F4U-1 when we meet on equal terms at the merge, head-on.

Unperk the F4U-4 though, it turns at a rate less than the LA7!