Author Topic: Limit the N1K to the 2 week free trial. (Read 1947 times)

Nifty · « **Reply #120 on:** June 03, 2002, 03:35:45 PM »

remember, DJV's stats are fighter vs fighter. The stats we're pulling off the Stats page are figther vs everything. So don't compare the two. IIRC, the CHog's 20% was all kills, not just fighter v fighter. Correct me if I'm wrong.

edit: I was wrong. 16.3% of all kills for CHog in Tour 15. 19.86% of all fighter vs fighter kills in Tour 15.

Rude · « **Reply #121 on:** June 03, 2002, 03:38:41 PM »

STOP!!!!

I CAN'T STAND IT ANY LONGER!!!!

THAT HIGH PITCHED SOUND IS DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!!

IS IT....IS IT....WHINING?????

C'mon man....cinch up you drawers, choose your sled and go learn how to kill something. Just stop whining about this plane and that plane and that GV over there and this PT Boat is porked and I can't get a date!!!

It is what it is and it costs $15.00/month....how complicated is that?

And if your going to whine about something, whine about something valid, like why you didn't get your diploma or why you had more pimples than you thought was fair. Something other than this sim, which WAITS FOR NO MAN!!!

Hop on or git off....please!!!

THE BUTTON....THE BUTTON!!!! PUSH THE BUTTON DALE!!!!

Zippatuh · « **Reply #122 on:** June 03, 2002, 03:42:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Rude
...this PT Boat is porked and I can't get a date!!!

ROFL

Just getting in on the 3 page thread, haven't read anything but Rude's response

Steven · « **Reply #123 on:** June 03, 2002, 03:45:21 PM »

Don't forget the Seafire. It wears the "Spit" tag and so in the arena adds to the impression of the total number of Spitfires out there.

I posted this back on 5/3/2002 based on this link:
http://www.dbstaines.com/tourstats/tour27/tour27.htm

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After posting I got curious about something, why do I see so many Spitfires? Well, in adding the totals for a couple aircraft that has more than one variant but which wears the same exact label, I quickly came up with:

Spit = 16.76% of all kills
P-51 = 9.12% of all kills
F4U = 7.87% of all kills
P-47 = 3.17% of all kills

The Spitfire totals do not count the Seafire or the Mk14 and the F4U totals do not count the dash4. If you do add in the Seafire (because it's really not a different aircraft, just a variant), the Spitfire kills in the arena total 20.41% of all kills. That's why it seems a Spitfest to me in the MA. Every fifth kill in the MA is made by some variant of Spitfire.

I wonder what aircraft deaths would reveal.

Heh heh, this is fun. Spit, LA7, N1K and P51s total 40.83% of the kills in the MA.

Steven · « **Reply #124 on:** June 03, 2002, 03:53:04 PM »

Also....

Tour 26:
http://www.dbstaines.com/tourstats/tour26/tour26.htm
Spit9 11.34%
Spit5 6.94%
Seafire 3.43%
Spit1: .47%

Total: Spit tag was used for 22.18% of the kills in the MA

Tour 25:
http://www.dbstaines.com/tourstats/tour25/tour25.htm
Spit9 12.27%
Spit5 6.70%
Seafire 2.75%
Spit1 0%

Total: Spit tag was used for 21.72% of the kills in the MA

Karnak · « **Reply #125 on:** June 03, 2002, 03:54:30 PM »

Steven,

I did count the Seafire (see my post further up) and reached a total of 13.56% of the total.

How'd you reach 16.76%?

I think your numbers are off.

I also think only counting fighter vs fighter numbers are not an accurate method of guaging the percentage makeup of the MA. I feel that I am fighting when I am attacking a B-17, Ostwind or PT-Boat, not just fighters.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #126 on:** June 03, 2002, 03:58:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Steven
Don't forget the Seafire. It wears the "Spit" tag and so in the arena adds to the impression of the total number of Spitfires out there.

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By golly, you're right.

I did forget to add in the Seafire, which adds an additional 2.6% of kills to that total... so my numbers come out to 15.3%, not 16.76, but that's close enough. Nonetheless, ALL Spit models (Spitfires I, V, IX, XIV, and the Seafire) don't account for as high a percentage of kills as the single F4U-1C did.

In any event, this is something that we should disaggregate. Decrying a "UFO" flight model and calling to perk "Spits" ignores the fact that AH sports five distinct variants.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Steven · « **Reply #127 on:** June 03, 2002, 03:58:40 PM »

Karnak,

I'm using this link as I posted above and you are correct, this is Fighter v Fighter.
http://www.dbstaines.com/tourstats/tour27/tour27.htm

Spit9 10.65% of the kills in the MA
Spit5 5.70% of the kills in the MA
Seafire 3.65% of the kills in the MA
Spit1 .41% of the kills in the MA

Spit tags total 20.41% of the kills in the MA

I joined right after Tour 15, but this was interesting:
http://www.dbstaines.com/tourstats/tour15/tour15.htm
F4U-1C: 19.86%
F4U-1D: 4.32%

F4U totals 24.18% using the numbers provided on this link.

Sikboy · « **Reply #128 on:** June 03, 2002, 04:00:11 PM »

Steven is using Deja's numbers right? Those are just the .vs Fighter numbers, which discount Buffs, and if we're talking kills, lessens the impact of Jabo aircraft.

-Sikboy

Kieran · « **Reply #129 on:** June 03, 2002, 04:27:07 PM »

Mahn-duh-BO-LEE

I never professed to know Spanish. I never deigned to tell Spanish speakers they didn't speak their own language properly.

My point to you here is you totally misunderstood a portion of my comments to you, in fact turned them completely around to get the opposite meaning.

Steven-

Uh, right. Count the five variants of the Spitfire as one plane? Why not count the five variants of the 109 and make a sweeping generalization based upon the best performance aspects of all five variants? You know, take the speed of the 10, the turn of the F, the cannons of the G6, etc. and call it/them uber? That'd be about as fair as lumping all the Spits together. While you're at it, do that for all three variants of the Fw.

Really, isn't that a silly argument anyway? "Every fifth kill is made by some variant?" Here we are swinging again from "UFO" to "too many"... again. This lobby sure cannot seem to make up its mind...

Steven · « **Reply #130 on:** June 03, 2002, 04:36:24 PM »

Kieren,

You sure are getting your panties in a wad for nothing.

I'm just talking about TAGS in the game. When I fly around and see "Spit", "Spit", "Spit", "N1K", "Spit", "Spit", "LA7"....I can't tell what variant of Spitfire (Seafire) is within icon range. I can do and have done the same with the "109" tags, but it wasn't all that impressive. It has nothing to do with characterstics of flight or gunnery or anything else. Just a simplistic measure to explain why one TAG is seen so much in the MA.

109G2 .75%
109G6 1.09%
109G10 3.59%
109F4 .76%

109 tags total 6.19% of total ftr v ftr kills in the MA for tour 27.

Happy?

Modas · « **Reply #131 on:** June 03, 2002, 04:37:43 PM »

This was posted on another thread that had about 14 trillion replies... I wish I could find it so I could give credit where it is due...

Munches on Popcorn

Toad · « **Reply #132 on:** June 03, 2002, 04:41:02 PM »

Just what is the correct percent of kills for one aircraft to have?

And is the official correct percentage based on specific type, like "109G10" or is the official correct percentage based on generic type like "109"?

Is there an acceptable range, is it a hard percentage or is it a less than?

Lastly, when does the Board meet to decide the correct official percentage? Are the meetings regularly scheduled or are they on an "as needed" basis? Are the Board positions elective or appointive and do the "taxpayers" get any input into the Board representation?

Thanks!

funkedup · « **Reply #133 on:** June 03, 2002, 04:48:14 PM »

It's perfectly natural for 109 to be used less than Spit. Why would players want to fly a plane that represents something the Nazis used when they can fly a plane that represents the valiant defenders of Britain and the liberators of western Europe? For many (most?) players it's a simple choice.

Steven · « **Reply #134 on:** June 03, 2002, 05:00:35 PM »

Man oh man, I'm gonna shut up now. I did post some data for people to chew on and made the mistake of posting an old msg from another thread in it's entirety. Hear me now, I do not wish to have the Spitfire perked.

I probably should not have made comment about the F4U-1C, but I threw that in as a comparison and maybe that is a ceiling for MA useage. I joined right after the days when the skies were full of F4U icons because the Chog was unperked, but where does the "let the people fly what they wish to fly" end and the restrictions begin? I guess at about 20% if you look at FvF Chog stats.

When you fly in the MA, you really do not know what the types of Spitfires are that are out there, but all you see is "Spit." Since the Spitfires do not wear a separate TAG other than the Spit14, and using some simplistic measure based on FvF kills, I jump to the conclusion that when I fly a mission in the MA and look around with Icons set to "plane type", 15-25% of the arena consists of SPIT at any given time. I know it's not a perfect measure, but it's better than reaching for one out of thin air. Yes, the MA is full of SPIT. Still, do not perk it. People would gravitate towards the LA7 and Yak and I hate those more.

Toad, I wasn't even hinting at coming to a percentage, but you tell me what the correct percentage is for one aircraft to have or aircraft type? Also, give me reason why the F4U-1C and F4U-4 should be perked when you strike me as the loudest among the "let the people fly what they want to fly" crowd. It can't be both ways. Shoot, I'm looking forward to flying a Wildcat and Warhawk in the MA and I'm gonna get my bell rung HARD when I do.