Serious question

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Animal


That doesnt make any sense.

If everyone is at 30k and I'm always down low in my LA7, thats MY problem, I chose to fly it, and they chose to go high. I can do two things, take a P-38L and go kill the high planes, or stay in the LA7 and whine all day like a retarded schoolgirl for the others to come down.

You analogies are moot, just because there are so many plane choices.

The cool thing is, that the developers or the other players will never give in your annoying whining, and the game will always be geared to the people who want to have fun, and not for the crybabies

As usuall out comes the "whine" and "crybaby" crap along with the .."I do what I want B.S."  It's not like certain subjects haven't been voiced AND fixed before.  There's enough people making noise about the subject, it's hardly a whine. It's not about individual personal preference.. it's about the tendency of the MA to be chock full of Spits/La7s/N1K's.  Nobody even accused these people of dominating the arena and causing things to go haywire because of it.  All that was said (quite well) is it gets BOREING having the same'ole same'ole routine present itself every time. Mandoble voiced his opinion in a well thought out manner and it's anything but moot, crying "whine" or "crybaby" is just the standard admission you don't have a valid argument. Besides that it would be nice if folks had the testicular fortitude to keep themselves from insulting other's opinions.  It wouldn't take much to balance things out in the MA... might not even hurt anyones feelings, or make anyone cry, I think thats all anyone is asking.

[Hajo]

Some of us idiots fly certain planes in the MA just for the pleasure of using them!  For instance, you'll 99% of the time find me in an FW190A8.  You'll prolly say why?  It doesn't turn, even when out of fuel!   It can't turn with anything, it can't outclimb any fighter here either.   It does roll very well however but in evasive maneuvers low the roll is only a temporary reprieve from death usually because 86 more fighters will jump in to the fight to kill the FW  The reason I prefer it is because it's not easy!  It's just dam fun!  I'll get my kills in it, and lockup in some good 1 vs 1s against spit, N1Ks and La7s.......I will get shot down......and I will shoot them down.  depends on the pilots skill.  I prefer not the use the 30mm cannons either....to me their trajectory drop is not healthy when trying snap shots or high deflection shots.  It's just plain fun to fly it and fight in it.  To hell with the stats!  If ya wanna be serious fly the tourneys, TODs and snapshots.  I do, and when I do I put my serious ballgame hat on:D   But in the MA fly what ya like, have fun...........and learn!

[dtango]

Mandoble & Tumor:  So if I understand, you guys would want to dictate what other people fly because you don't like the numbers of the type of aircraft you see.  Pardon me for saying but don't you think that's a bit pretentious on your part?  Aces High offers a variety of planes and game features which allows for a variety of styles of play.  What makes your style of play so much more important and better than someone elses style of play that would make it an imperative for you to tell them what to fly?

As Epictetus, a Roman Stoic Philosopher says...

Of all the things in the world, ask not that events should happen as you will, but let your will be that events should happen as they do, and you will have peace.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[Tumor]

Originally posted by dtango
Mandoble & Tumor:  So if I understand, you guys would want to dictate what other people fly because you don't like the numbers of the type of aircraft you see.  Pardon me for saying but don't you think that's a bit pretentious on your part?  Aces High offers a variety of planes and game features which allows for a variety of styles of play.  What makes your style of play so much more important and better than someone elses style of play that would make it an imperative for you to tell them what to fly?

As Epictetus, a Roman Stoic Philosopher says...


Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

.. noooo  Read the post(s) without automaticly coming to the conclusion that anyone is trying to dictate anything.  If I could "dictate" anything Spit's/Niks/La7's would be perked VERY high.  Fortunately, I can't dictate anything.  I can however request that "something" be done to SLOW the spit/n1k/la7 fite, rinse repeat, do again ad nauseum.  Notice the word SLOW..  I didn't say stop or get rid of any plane or make people do something they don't want... just SLOOOOW the situation with a mild little tweak of HTC choosing.  Is this too hard to understand?  I'm all for "loose" gameplay..  I'm even MORE for craploads of people in the CT, doesn't happen, therefore I'm kinda stuck rolling into a fight anywhere, anytime turning into the same thing it nearly always does.  It's not like I do badly in these situations.. its JUST the frequency OF the situation.  Do you REALLY never get tired of seeing what we're talking about?

[Tac]

Heh, imagine if the countries were separated by AC. Bishops would be US/Italian, Rooks would be British/Japanese, Knits would be Russian/German.

The horror!

[Ripsnort]

[DmdNexus]

I really don't care who flys what. But here's an idea.

Rather than perking an over used plane type, I think it would be a neat feature to have each plane type associated with a factory. And if a country's "N1K1" factory is destoryed then no one in that country can take off in a "N1K1" for 1 hour.  AW had a simular feature to this for spits. (this would not affect planes that are already in the air or are hotpadded)

So if you hate N1K1's get in a buff and do something about it!

And with the new buffing model... this would give the buffers something extra to go after - rather than the same ol base close/capture and kill the country radar runs.

And another twist to this...

Damage to a factory (but not destroyed) causes the plane to be perked.  It's that supply and demand thing. 1 perk for every 2% damage (this should vary according to the plane type). This way even a partially successful run causes trouble.

Factories should not be easy to destroy either.

One 3-buff formation should only beable to put at most 10% damage on a factory.

[Nifty]

Tumor, yes it is too hard to understand.  SLOWING the "la7/n1k2/spit fite" is telling other people what they can and can't fly based solely on YOUR definition of what the MA fight should be like, IMO.  Please tell me how and why I am wrong in that assessment.

Beyond that, what is your recommendation for slowing the "la7/n1k2/spit fite"?

[BUG_EAF322]

DIVERSITY !!!!

Most in the MA r just like sheeps an go with the flock

That's all

[MANDOBLE]

Nifty, suppose you are a fan of Ta152H, but it is perked here. Do you feel AH is forcing you to fly lesser planes, do you feel your freedom killed by this fact? Ta152H has little or nothing in common with the rest of 190 family, you just cant go to an earlier version of the Ta, same for 262 fans. La7 fans has La5, SpitIX fans has three other spit versions, in the case D9 becomes perked, 190 fans has 3 other versions too to keep flying with the stile they like to fly and so on with most of the planes. Will 2 perks kill the fun of SpitIX pilots cause they are unable to fly anything else?

The "fly what you like freely" movement should think twice about unperked 262, for example. What about 262 representing 15% of planeset usage?

[Nifty]

Will two perks on the Spit IX accomplish what you want to see in terms of less SPIT tags in the Arena?  No, you'll just see the same number of SPIT tags, but just more Spit Vs and Seafires.  Will you advocate perking the Spit V and Seafire after that?  Even the Spit I?

Ta152?  do a search on my name and Ta152.  In almost every instance, you'll see me advocating it to be unperked (and reperking it if the usage approaches anything like the CHog).

The Me262 is a jet.  It deserves to be perked because the performance is beyond anything else in the game.

The Spit XIV if unperked would need to be perked because of usage.  Almost every Spit jockey would use the XIV if it was free.

The F4U-4 and Tempest are monsters, tho not 50+ perk point monsters.  They also, as you say, have lesser brothers that can be used.

I'm not for free everything (tho I am for free Ta152).  I'm against perking something because a few people get bored of "seeing the same planes over and over again" and trying to tell the rest of the players what they can and can't fly based on their boredom.

my earlier post Mandoble was just what it was.  Does flying the 190 almost all of the time get boring for you?  Because flying the Spit V (or occasionally the Spit I) almost all of the time never gets boring for me.

[AKSWulfe]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Nifty, suppose you are a fan of Ta152H, but it is perked here. Do you feel AH is forcing you to fly lesser planes, do you feel your freedom killed by this fact? Ta152H has little or nothing in common with the rest of 190 family, you just cant go to an earlier version of the Ta, same for 262 fans. La7 fans has La5, SpitIX fans has three other spit versions, in the case D9 becomes perked, 190 fans has 3 other versions too to keep flying with the stile they like to fly and so on with most of the planes. Will 2 perks kill the fun of SpitIX pilots cause they are unable to fly anything else?

Ta152 are not 1942 planes. Nor are 262s.

Yet, you compare 2 1944 planes (which I made bold) to a 1942 plane (SpitIX) to give an argument for perking it.

Is that so you can reign supreme in your mighty LuftWannabe steeds against hoards of pityfully underpowered 1940 and 1941 Spitfires?
-SW

[sling322]

Originally posted by DmdNexus
no one in that country can take off in a "N1K1" for 1 hour.  

I can honestly say that I have never seen too many N1K1s in the game.

[Nifty]

quick look at the stats (pre-Deja Vu list, think of it as an exit poll!)

I just pulled some stats for a few planes, not the whole set.

~477,000 kills so far total
plane - kills/deaths
Spit IX - 36080/34462
N1K2 - 30602/25938
P-51D - 29416/28550
La-7 - 26920/21803
F6F-5 - 20069/22051
P-38L - 16658/20148
F4U-1D - 16308/19123
Spit V - 15602/16820
109G-10 - 12244/11669
Seafire - 12091/12822
A6M5b - 11828/15336
190D-9 - 10985/8267

CHog - 6223/3060
F4U-1 - 3976/3822
Spit I - 909/2843

Not one plane is over 10%.  In fact, not one single plane is over 8% (Spit IX is about 7.6%).  Together the 4 unperked spits run at 64682 kills or 13.6%.  The F4U-1C was running near 20% of all kills when it was perked.  FOUR planes lumped together aren't even coming close to that percentage and people are asking for something to be done about it...  hmm... makes ya wonder.

[dtango]

Aww, Nifty has replied before I could compose a response.  I see that we're of a kindred spirit on this matter (except with the TA 152 ).  Well said Nifty on your two replies.

Mandoble: The perk system is not limiting someone's style of play but aircraft that have an uneven advantage over the majority of aircraft in AH.  As mentioned by Nifty we well should be limited from a relative aircraft performance standpoint.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs