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Offline Udie

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« on: June 06, 2002, 10:54:00 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8599-2002Jun6.html


 Reaction was generally positive in Congress, though Democrats said Bush's action was overdue and likely to be overhauled on Capitol Hill.
 
 Have to agree with the Dems there, though to them (in washington)  it's just a good political club to hit GW with.

"I think they saw they were getting behind the wave," said Senate Appropriations Chairman Robert Byrd, D-W.Va.

 Anybody else tired of listening to this old hipocrite?


Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., said he wasn't sure a reorganization was needed. "The question is whether shifting the deck chairs on the Titanic is the way to go," he said.

 So Sen. Kennedy are you compairing the USA to the Titanic?  Are you saying the war is already lost?  WTF kind of leadership is that?  Stupid, old, alcoholic, falandering, pompus, murdering  hipocrite!

White House officials privately acknowledged the proposal could be drastically watered down in turf wars as the affected agencies – and the 88 congressional committees and subcommittees that oversee them – fight to retain power.

 maybe we have already lost the war.....

 Is there any real leadership out there anymore?  I still support the President, but my confidence in his ability to lead us through this is wearing thin.

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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2002, 11:37:46 PM »
would you rather have Al Gore?

I hope not
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2002, 01:08:05 AM »
Udie,

I don't now what your problem is with this situation. Did you actually expect that ANYONE would be able to set up an entire intel and security operation to safeguard an open Democracy?? On the first effort in less than a year?!?!?!

Securing this country is like trying to plug a large leaky pool with bandaids. Small considerations like the Constitutional guarantees for both citizen and non citizens, ACLU, PC worries that we might be "profilling",(sarcasm intended) one of the largest non fortified borders in the globe, all to combat a guerrilla force who targets noncombatants with non military style tactics and weapons. This is a task that is beyond an instant solution.

Look at the "support" listed in the article. It has long since been "politics as usual". The "unity" expressed by the likes of kennedy has disolved into petty bickering and posturing. According to the article there are 88 Congressional oversight committees for the FBI, CIA and all other related activities. Do you think any of these congressional "experts" will be willing to give up their power to make an effective organization??? They are all going to want the biggest piece of the pie to increase their own political agendas. That is the majority of the "so called leadership problem" you are referring to.

There comes a time to sit back a bit and look to see what is the major goal. Right now it isn't making "sound bites" about the titanic or backstabbing the home team. It's what are we going to do to secure our country without turning it into a police state and destroying the democratic principles it stands for. This isn't a fast win event. It's going to take a lot of time and effort. The old history lesson about sunshine patriots is very appropriate for this situation.

Until we start acting lke a unified country instead of playing democrats vs republicans we cannot hope to convince the enemy that we are serious in our homeland. We appear to be a divided foe to them and that just spurs them on. We cannot give up freedonm hoping to find security. The Germans in WW2 tried that in occupied Europe and they never did stop all the guerrilla actions by partizans. It won't work here either. There must be another way to fight these "people" without making ourselves like them.
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2002, 01:53:15 AM »
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Until we start acting lke a unified country instead of playing democrats vs republicans we cannot hope to convince the enemy that we are serious in our homeland.  


Quite often, this simply means "quit playing democrat" and come on board with the team.
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An analogy.....
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2002, 07:28:58 AM »
In the battle between armor and warhead, the warhead inevitably wins.

Chimpy dropped the ball, now he's scrambling to pick up the fumble.

Our leadership needs to solve the problem of why they attack, only this will ensure future safety.

I don't expect to see any real progress until chimpys out of the White House, he's profiting too much from the current state of affairs to want it to change.

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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2002, 07:58:19 AM »
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Quite often, this simply means "quit playing democrat" and come on board with the team.


I'm just trying to figure out if the team is the DNC or the RNC :rolleyes:

Seems this admin under the "NEW TONE IN WASHINGTON" is bending over backwards for the dems agenda more than its own party. Weaz, I don't see your issue with this pres. He seems to make the dems as happy if not happier than the Reps...

As for the "new" branch of gov. Dunno, Don't know how more chiefs are gonna fix the problem. Seems they should get the chiefs they have today to work more effeciently and communicate better between themselves, lose the egos for the better good of the country. I think they have enough manpower now. Better equipment, policies and powers of existing resources. Not to create another. Thought we were for a smaller gov  :(

Funny how the dems asked for  it and when they get it, their best drunk, ole Teddy shows his arse.... :)
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2002, 08:57:11 AM »
Weaz, I don't see your issue with this pres. He seems to make the dems as happy if not happier than the Reps...

It has nothing to do with partisan politics.

It has to do with quality of his character, chimpy has shown his lack of throughout his life, his actions since assuming the office only reinforce my opinion of his shortcomings as a man.....much less as president.

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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2002, 09:01:43 AM »
Honestly, Weazel, what could Bush do differently? Abdicate?

You're really going to wind up as some wild, toothless man shouting at traffic from your porch if you're not careful... ;)

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Hyuck,Hyuck Kieran...
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2002, 09:22:42 AM »
Honestly, Weazel, what could Bush do differently?

You said it, how about honesty?

You're really going to wind up as some wild, toothless man shouting at traffic from your porch if you're not careful...

I wondered how long it would take for a republican to sound off with the equivelant of shouting "Jerrry, Jerry" on the Springer show.

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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2002, 09:24:02 AM »
I swear, if we could find a way to desalinate the piss Weazel and Eagler expend at each other, we could eliminate 90% of the droughts in the world.  :D
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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2002, 09:26:42 AM »
I dunno, seems like all you're doing is spouting rhetoric, attacking character without any form of proof, and you say I am yelling like someone on trash tv?

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Proof.... you DO keep up with current events don't you?
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2002, 10:06:26 AM »
"Recent revelations have surfaced that the Bush administration had been specifically warned of 9/11-style attacks by a host of foreign intelligence services, and failed to properly address them. In order to get out from under any censure for failing to deal with these warnings, politics transmogrified into the use of fear to cow the populace.

On May 30th, politics came into the 9/11 issue from a totally unexpected direction.

Enter Larry Klayman, General Counsel for the conservative activist group Judicial Watch. Klayman has been on the scene for years, coming into prominence as one of the foremost anti-Clinton bombardiers on the Right. Best known for his preponderance of the theory that Clinton Commerce Secretary Ron Brown was assassinated, and that the plane crash that actually killed him was merely a coverup, Klayman spent a great deal of time spreading the story of the 'Clinton Body Count' - those unfortunate souls whacked by Bill because they got too close to his drug-running out of Arkansas airports, or because they asked too many questions about his sex life, etc. Klayman managed to sue the Clinton White House some 18 times before 1999.

On May 30th, Klayman emerged from the mists of anti-Clintonism and fired a stupendous broadside across the bow of the Bush administration and the FBI. Appearing before members of the press in a conference broadcast by C-SPAN, Klayman introduced an 11-year veteran FBI agent named Robert Wright. Judicial Watch has claimed Wright as a client, and intends to defend him against what Klayman describes as a serious campaign by the FBI and the Department of Justice to intimidate and destroy him.

Why?

According to Klayman, Wright has been sounding an alarm within the FBI for years about terrorist activities within the United States. Rather than heed Wright's warnings, the FBI has deflected and obstructed his efforts to curtail dangerous movements by agents of Hamas and Hezbollah. Wright's activities within the FBI were geared towards thwarting money-laundering activities by these agents, and he is claiming that his efforts were stymied because important government officials like Colin Powell have been coddling these pro-Palestinian groups to protect the reputation of Yasser Arafat. One can only assume the higher purpose of this coddling was to preserve tattered hopes for a negotiated settlement in the Mideast.

Klayman leaned across the podium at the press on Thursday and claimed that the FBI "did not do its job" regarding 9/11, that Wright had been trying since 1999 to get the FBI to clean house before disaster struck, and that his reward for doing so was threats of civil suits, loss of employment and criminal charges. Klayman juxtaposed this against the recent praise heaped upon Colleen Rowley, the Minnesota FBI agent whose whistleblowing memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller outlining all of the agency's failures to see 9/11 coming was lionized by the Director as he announced the dawn of a new improved FBI. Wright was threatened while Rowley is praised, said Klayman. The comparison was devastating.

The FBI bore the brunt of Klayman's lashing, but it was definitely not alone. The Bush administration was blasted as, "...an administration which, despite being elected on the basis of restoring national security, slept for nine months, and did virtually nothing to shore up the inadequacies of the FBI."

Klayman went on to describe the Bush administration as, "...an administration which comes forward yesterday to cover their backside after it becomes apparent that they hid information from the American people for nine months - material information as to how, in the new admission of FBI Director Robert Mueller, the 9/11 attacks could have possibly been prevented."

Klayman addressed Vice President Dick Cheney specifically, lambasting his recent claim that America is defenseless against future terrorism. According to Klayman and Wright, our defenselessness is based on nothing more or less than rank incompetence on the part of the FBI. That incompetence reaches into the highest offices of government and into the responsibility of men like Cheney and Bush, who should be doing more to change the inadequate capabilities of intelligence branches like the FBI.

"What have you, the Bush administration, been doing for the last nine months," railed Klayman, "that just now you're advising the American people that we don't have the defenses even after having lost 3,000 lives?
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The Politics of Treason


Yeah.....chimpys honest, are you forgetting HE said his administration had NO WARNING? :rolleyes:

You have repeatedly stated you could not support him if shown to be untruthful to the American people, time to put up or shut up, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Re: An analogy.....
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2002, 10:23:40 AM »
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Chimpy dropped the ball, now he's scrambling to pick up the fumble.


It's so funny to me. I'm not Bush's biggest fan. There are things he's done in office that have pissed me off. There are a lot more that I don't agree with. But whenever I hear Weazel call him "Chimpy" I like Bush a little more. Sorta like how that "Slick Willy" nonsense got me sympathetic to the Clinton cause. It's fun to polorize people :)

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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2002, 10:46:42 AM »
Think I'll just follow Sikboy around and agree with him. :)

Hardly a gold medal peice of evidence there Weazel. And I would love to see Dubya sent packing in a couple of years.

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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2002, 10:51:06 AM »
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Think I'll just follow Sikboy around and agree with him. :)

Hardly a gold medal peice of evidence there Weazel. And I would love to see Dubya sent packing in a couple of years.




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