Author Topic: Dirty Bomber? (Read 1036 times)

Sikboy · « **on:** June 10, 2002, 10:02:15 AM »

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/06/10/dirty.bomb.suspect/index.html

[edit] I'd be VERY interested to know if he had access to fissile materials, or any radioactive materials of any type. I mean, he would need these for such a device. How much, and where did it come from. If the answer two question B is "Pakistan" I wonder if we'll ever hear about it?

-Sikboy

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 10, 2002, 10:14:07 AM »

I can only conclude that because they waited a month to tell us of this that they are actively looking for more individuals?

Intrepid · « **Reply #2 on:** June 10, 2002, 11:58:23 AM »

You don't need the evil axis to supply you with radioactive materials, you can find that stuff right here in the good old US of A. Food processing plants and hospitals use cobalt-60 and cesium-137 for killing bacteria and treating certain kinds of cancer. There's also plutonium and americium, plutonium was used at some universities in research. Americium is used in the oil industry to dectect fossil fuels and of course those smoke detectors you have in your home.

Though short term damage is going to minimal after detonation. Long term exposure to a contaminated area where a dirty bomb went off could cause serious health problems in the future.

Dowding · « **Reply #3 on:** June 10, 2002, 12:04:30 PM »

You don't need fissionable material for a dirty bomb.

Sikboy · « **Reply #4 on:** June 10, 2002, 12:05:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Intrepid
You don't need to be supplied radioactive materials by the evil axis. Hospitals and food processing plants right here in the United States have just what he's looking for.

You're absolutly right. The performance of the bomb is directly related to the radioactivity of the "dirty" part. The higher the better for the terrorist. Of course the higher the riskier too. I was operating under the impression that medical waste was not as radioactive as reactor waste (eg spent fuel rods), but it looks like I was barking up the wrong tree.

-Sikboy

Eagler · « **Reply #5 on:** June 10, 2002, 12:13:02 PM »

Hope they "in-terror-gate" him well...

Sikboy · « **Reply #6 on:** June 10, 2002, 12:24:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
You don't need fissionable material for a dirty bomb.

Yeah, bad wording on my part.

-Sikboy

Tac · « **Reply #7 on:** June 10, 2002, 12:39:24 PM »

And the dreaded asbestos bomb

CyranoAH · « **Reply #8 on:** June 10, 2002, 03:12:56 PM »

Is this the new Ron Jeremy porn movie? The title suits him well...

Daniel

easymo · « **Reply #9 on:** June 10, 2002, 03:30:31 PM »

I see "the sky is falling" again. If Jose got his hands on a Dirty Bomb. It would likely kill fewer people than 9.11. If detonated in a big city, it would slow commerce badly during the clean up. But the world as we know it, would hardly end.

The scariest part of this, for me. Is that Jose (a U.S. citizen) just had his constitutional rights chucked, like they were nothing. He should get a fair trial, then hang him.

Eagler · « **Reply #10 on:** June 10, 2002, 03:44:59 PM »

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Originally posted by easymo
I see "the sky is falling" again. If Jose got his hands on a Dirty Bomb. It would likely kill fewer people than 9.11. If detonated in a big city, it would slow commerce badly during the clean up. But the world as we know it, would hardly end.

gotta disagree
what do you think a radioactive sprewing bomb, no matter how large, would do to wallstreet? Wallstreet craps their pants at a drop of a hat? You honestly believe the bottom would not fall out of the markets. With it - massive lay offs, unemployment, bread lines, rioting & looting like nothing ever before. Then you will have your "Police State".

Do you honestly think this country could/would survive a 30's style Depression? Hell we can't get along in the best of times. We riot in the streets when our teams WIN! They don't have to kill us to win, all they have to do is turn us on ourselves...

Sikboy · « **Reply #11 on:** June 10, 2002, 03:54:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler

gotta disagree
what do you think a radioactive sprewing bomb, no matter how large, would do to wallstreet? Wallstreet craps their pants at a drop of a hat? You honestly believe the bottom would not fall out of the markets. With it - massive lay offs, unemployment, bread lines, rioting & looting like nothing ever before. Then you will have your "Police State".

I agree with Easymo that the effects of a Dirty bomb are being a bit exaggerated. I mean, of course it all depends on the size of the bomb and how much radialogical material there is, but none the less, I don't think that it will plunge us into "Depression II, The Quickening" or anything like that. It was tough, but we made it through Sept. 11th. We'll make it through what they have to offer next. I was also confused by the statement that he was a US citizen. That is pretty concerning to me. I mean, I don't understand how the "unlawfull combatant" tag can be used to get around our constitutional freedoms. Due process seems to have been denied.

-Sikboy

Tumor · « **Reply #12 on:** June 10, 2002, 04:12:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler

gotta disagree
what do you think a radioactive sprewing bomb, no matter how large, would do to wallstreet? Wallstreet craps their pants at a drop of a hat? You honestly believe the bottom would not fall out of the markets. With it - massive lay offs, unemployment, bread lines, rioting & looting like nothing ever before. Then you will have your "Police State".

Do you honestly think this country could/would survive a 30's style Depression? Hell we can't get along in the best of times. We riot in the streets when our teams WIN! They don't have to kill us to win, all they have to do is turn us on ourselves...

Wall Street is the real target of any terrorists. Not to spread sunshine on thier intelect, but they aren't complete morons. UBL (OBL) is very financially savy... If the dollar fails, I'm quite sure he believes America fails. Dumbshit has no idea just how tough your average peace loving dim witted poor man in America can be!

Just imagine the wrath of a bunch of Liberals and Conservatives joining hands for a common cause. Hell, just imagine a couple of invading armies trying to take LA after the Crips and Bloods get together. Jeezuz it's scary... We're all Americans... we can piss on eachother but let some foreign source try some BS. I can beat my brother and my brother can beat me.... but don't think we won't defend each other!! Hey Weazel... wanna go kick some as?

SirLoin · « **Reply #13 on:** June 10, 2002, 04:42:22 PM »

"Dirty Bomb"..It'll be interesting for sure to see how this unfolds.

SirLoin · « **Reply #14 on:** June 10, 2002, 04:55:40 PM »

Well apparently he was arrested during "the discussion stage" of this terrorist plan...Time will tell if this was true terrorism in the making(i hope not) or FBI/media sensationalism...I sniff a posterboy here.

The facts will be presented quickly I hope.