Author Topic: Invisible Planes First Real AH Gameplay Crisis (Read 1375 times)

Pyro · « **Reply #60 on:** June 17, 2002, 09:29:38 PM »

The two biggest things to help us find these types of problems is film and asking the person who shot you down what he saw, where he was, etc. Film filters out most complaints because once somebody watches the film and sees that it wasn't an invisible plane that shot them down, they don't report it. If it is legit, then it gives us something to work with. The second part comes with not assuming anything. Was it really that the guy who shot you down was invisible? Perhaps, but who knows without inquiring? Maybe he was on the opposite side of the arena and the host incorrectly sent you damage that was meant for someone else. Perhaps he would tell you that he simply translated a lot of speed into climbing up your low six for the shot. I don't know and won't without more to go on. What I do know is that when something gets reported, it makes everybody feel vulnerable to it. It's like when the West Nile virus broke out in a handful of cases in New York. How many people do you think started coming down with symptoms of that after it was reported. It wasn't non-existant, but it wasn't an epidemic either.

Anyway, the quickest solution to a problem like this is to get it on film and send it to support@hitechcreations.com and to talk to the other guy. Even if you don't have a film, talking to the other guy can shed a lot of light on it for us or you or all of us.

If the opportunity presents itself, I spend the effort to try to sneak up on my opponents without ever being seen. That doesn't mean I was invisible, nor does it mean that that kind of bug can't exist.

As to scoring, it obviously is important or we wouldn't have spent much effort on providing it. That doesn't mean it's going to be or should be important to everyone, but at least there is that option. It is one of the many games within the game. Whether you measure your golf game in beers or strokes is irrelevant as to how you enjoy it as long as you don't destroy the enjoyment of others. The game can be played both ways. I flew a sortie tonight for the first time this tour while in a Yak-9T from a busy base. Shot down some people and landed. Had a good time but wanted to check my score online and then go to the webpage and check to see if it was updating on the fly. I looked up my score and it was there, but I noticed I was #1 in kills/time with a 34 kills per hour rating. Now it obviously doesn't mean anything after 1 sortie, but nevertheless it made me feel good for a moment. Normally I feel like Mike Tyson did against Lewis where it used to be easy but now I just get my butt kicked. But it reminded me of days past when I would define, at least for awhile, how I flew based on how my score started. I could challenge myself to see how many kills per hour I could maintain. I could see how many kills I could get without a death. I could see how many kills per sortie or deaths I could maintain. In reality, I'll probably just go back to work, but at least I'll think, thanks to scoring, that I could've been a contender.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #61 on:** June 17, 2002, 10:06:53 PM »

Awesome Pyro.. let's score with beers !!!!

jk

Swager · « **Reply #62 on:** June 17, 2002, 10:10:25 PM »

I still haven't seen an invisible plane!

I've been looking!

Last night I flew around for 3 hours looking for the invisible plane, no joy!

I must be doing something wrong. What do they look like anyways??

Any assistance in this area would be deeply appriciated.

Thank You!!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #63 on:** June 17, 2002, 10:13:43 PM »

Thanks for the response Pyro!

But I do have one some things to add in mind with what you said.

First I could not not have "talked to the other guy" because I got a message "YOU HAVE BEEN KILLED", no name who killed me.

My plane just got cut in half and set on fire in mid air.

It was over open water, and no CV or PT boats were around.

Nobody came from under me and zoomed up as we were at pretty low alt.

I was dead before I hit the water.

Nobody crashed into me, as the con was in front of me and I just blew him apart. ( an N1K2J

)

Thats pretty damn wierd Pyro....

Now Pyro I hardly ever run film at all, do you suggest I film every sortie?

And another thing, what do you know about the effect of this "Linksys" or something like that, device. It has been reported as being connected with the invisible planes.

Thanks!

Pyro · « **Reply #64 on:** June 17, 2002, 10:33:39 PM »

Well in light of your details, I'll say that's what I meant by not assuming anything. You got killed, but nobody killed you. If it was an invisible plane, why didn't they get credit? Now I don't have an answer for you right now, but I am trying to point out how easy it is to send us down the wrong road or to get others barking up the wrong tree.

On the film issue, if this is not something that just happened out of the blue, I would recommend recording your flights. We do plan to put in an autorecord option, but that's not available yet.

Bullethead · « **Reply #65 on:** June 17, 2002, 10:45:29 PM »

GRUNHERZ said:

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First I could not not have "talked to the other guy" because I got a message "YOU HAVE BEEN KILLED", no name who killed me.

My plane just got cut in half and set on fire in mid air

Hmmm. I've only seen that "YOU HAVE BEEN KILLED" message when I auger an undamaged ride so far back in friendly territory that nobody's around to collect an auger kill. So a death for me but no kill for anybody else.

I think your details have cleared the matter up now. Obviously, you've discovered an Easter Egg! AH, in its quest for the ultimate in simulating WW2 flying, has included gremlins that periodically destroy an otherwise perfectly good plane

Yeager · « **Reply #66 on:** June 17, 2002, 10:45:58 PM »

Now Pyro I hardly ever run film at all, do you suggest I film every sortie?
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Pyro,

having an option to have the film enabled only when firing guns would be cool option.

Sort of like a real gun camera might have worked.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #67 on:** June 17, 2002, 10:49:16 PM »

Hmmm. I've only seen that "YOU HAVE BEEN KILLED" message when I auger an undamaged ride so far back in friendly territory that nobody's around to collect an auger kill. So a death for me but no kill for anybody else.

But I did not auger, I got cut in half and set on fire in midair...

And Pyro what about this Linksys thing? I has been connected to "invisible planes" by some people.

Hangtime · « **Reply #68 on:** June 17, 2002, 11:23:47 PM »

we've got to protect our phoney-baloney scores gents!!

we must end the invisible plane menace now!

lets all not fly till it's fixed!!

(2 weeks later, normal arena numbers a comfy 250 at peak)

ok guys, they got it whipped!! you can come back now!!

(2 weeks later arenas's back to 450 at peak)

HEY!! WTF!! I THOUGHT THEY FIXED THIS!!!

DrDea · « **Reply #69 on:** June 18, 2002, 05:56:36 AM »

I tore the wings off a Tiffy one time certain I was under the speed needed to do that.It basdicly tore me in half.Wonder if maby that might have happend here due to some fluke.On asnother note pyro and slightly off topic.In Air warrior there was an Option at the end of a flight you filmed that said.You have recorded a film.Do you wish to keep it. You could also name it at that time.It was a nice option.Any way we could incorporate that into AH?

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #70 on:** June 18, 2002, 06:16:27 AM »

Invisible planes? Here is my experience about the subject.

Two months ago I was fighting against a C205, I hit him really hard, no way to survive that. I saw the C205 going down (in fact diving) and supposed it was done, so I go away trying to get some alt. Few minutes later I haven't received any kill award but, suddenly, from nowhere, BANG BANG BANG and while I was going down in flames I got the kill award of that 205 at the same time he got a kill award of me.

Later, talking with the C205 pilot he told me that he saw my tracers going directly to him too late, but, for some reason, he was still alive and undamaged and deciced to dive away, then he recovered alt in a zoom, and fired me at my dead six. To his surprise, no damage was done to my plane but he had speed only for that burst so he broke and headed his home base. Few minutes later he received the damage of my previous burst and few seconds after that I received his impacts, both of us were destroyed with nobody nearby.

Widewing · « **Reply #71 on:** June 18, 2002, 07:53:57 AM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Invisible planes? Here is my experience about the subject.

Two months ago I was fighting against a C205, I hit him really hard, no way to survive that. I saw the C205 going down (in fact diving) and supposed it was done, so I go away trying to get some alt. Few minutes later I haven't received any kill award but, suddenly, from nowhere, BANG BANG BANG and while I was going down in flames I got the kill award of that 205 at the same time he got a kill award of me.

Similar weirdness last night:

I'm flying a Bf 109G6, with gondolas. For those who don't know, that's one 30mm, two 20mm and two 13mm guns. That's a fearsome amount of firepower, by any standard. I had just dropped a 250 kilo bomb on a Knit field and was climbing out to provide a BuffCap over our nearby CV.

Passing 21k, I spot a Tempest heading for the CV at about 15k. So, down I go. Seeing me coming the Tempest pilot does a split-s and dives away. I simply ease out and begin my climb again. Well, the Tempy pilot must have been feeling cocky, because he climbs, following me. Well, the 109 climbs really well and he's not closing the range, still back about 5k, 2k or so below. I figure that now is a good time to reverse, because I'll have a considerable E advantage coming back on him.

So, what does this taterhead do? He sets up for an HO. He's going to put his 70 perks on the line trading fire. Not especially bright in my estimation, but hey, it's his funeral and his perks. I open fire at D1.0 and score hits immediately. As the range drops to pointblank, the Tempest explodes. However, his Hizookas shoot off my left wingtip. I ease out of the dive, the 109 barely controllable. Having very little experience with 109s, I'm surprised how badly it handles without that few feet of wing. I decide to ease over to our CV and bail, rather than try to fight my way through the crowd of Bish at A41 to make a landing attempt. After I bailout successfully, I check my stat and score pages. There's no indication of a loss in my K/D, no credit for the Tempest either….. Huh? I saw no indication in the message buffer that either of us received a kill or killed notice. Strange indeed.

I continued flying the 109G6 for another sortie. I was surprised how effective the little fighter is if you apply strict energy tactics. Ultimately, I finished my three sorties with 7 kills and no losses, rather than the 8 kills and 1 loss I expected. Typically for this type of aircraft, kills included a Lanc and B-17. Plus two PTs, two F4U-1Ds and a single Bf 110G2. That dead Tempest must reside in airplane never-never land.

My regards,

Widewing

Eagler · « **Reply #72 on:** June 18, 2002, 08:19:51 AM »

must have something to do with the "Area 51" map

I didn't see the plane but the pilot looked just like this:

moose · « **Reply #73 on:** June 18, 2002, 08:32:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Widewing

I'm flying a Bf 109G6, with gondolas. For those who don't know, that's one 30mm, two 20mm and two 13mm guns.
Widewing

Ugggggggggggg

Try flying the g6 or g10 without gondolas and 30mm

performance hit from those extra 20 guns plus the different rof makes them almost pointless on that a/c

109F4 and G2 with gondolas ok. g6 and g10 no!

Widewing · « **Reply #74 on:** June 18, 2002, 09:18:31 AM »

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Originally posted by moose

Ugggggggggggg

Try flying the g6 or g10 without gondolas and 30mm

performance hit from those extra 20 guns plus the different rof makes them almost pointless on that a/c

109F4 and G2 with gondolas ok. g6 and g10 no!

I flew it with and without the gondolas. Ironically, I killed a B-17, Lanc and two PTs without them, two F4Us and a 110G2 with them.

Both Corsairs were CoE and CoAlt (around 22k, 350 mph). Both died via severe off-angle deflection shots. A fully armed G6 is a snapshooting monster.

I think I figured out what happened to the Tempest, maybe....

We were near my country's CV and within ack range. Perhaps, the ship ack exploded the Tempest as I was shooting at it. Other than that, I can't think of another reason for the odd result.

My regards,

Widewing