Author Topic: Don't YOU Get It, 9-11 is Europe's Fault (Read 2472 times)

Fishu · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2002, 10:37:40 PM »

US "Haters" ...

28sweep...

do you know how big difference there is between hate and protests?
Do you even know what protests are about?

Excuse me, but I don't remember them yelling "Death to USA".

US international politics just sucks since Bush Jr. ok?
Does that make me anti-US and US hater?

Geez, grow up so you don't have to make such radical conclusions of every "I don't like" statement.

Steven · « **Reply #16 on:** June 22, 2002, 12:08:39 AM »

Babek,

I'll excuse you Europeans for the Crusades as I'm pretty sure it drove the Arabs' out of Spain and to the east after 300 yrs rule (or something like that) in that region. But I can never forgive Europeans for the Titanic...which ended up being made into a movie which I've endured watching more times than I can count.

LtHans · « **Reply #17 on:** June 22, 2002, 12:58:52 AM »

The point of it is that the US is starting to look at Europe as backstabbers. It's true. We do all the work and you hate us (We're a bunch of foolish cowboys with no manners and less intelligence). We DON'T do all the work like you asked us not to....and you still hate us (We're all a bunch of fat, selfhish people only interested in ourselves).

We're just one little diddlyed puppy either way. There is not alot.....hell, try NO evidence that mainland Europe gives a damn about us. England is the only country we like at this point. The rest of Europe is happy and content. So happy and conent to just sit back and scream at us from the sidelines because they never have to lift a finger to fix any major problems of the world, because that is the USA's job.

The building attitude that is VERY real now in the USA is, "Europe, go do it your damn self next time you have a crisis. You've come crying to us for the last time."

In this propaganda war, the EU is losing on the American front baddly. Your protestors are being very successful in alienating the USA.

I like Europe myself. But even I feel like I would be stared and sneered at if I were to show up in Europe anywhere other than to visit my family in northern Germany.

Fishu · « **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2002, 01:21:23 AM »

Lthans,

Your post showed large quantity of ignorance and arrogance.
Go look dig up from dictionary what 'hate' means and then look up what 'dislike' and 'protest' means.
Theres quite a difference between the meanings of these words.

Europeans doesnt hate US.

Where from have you got such an idea in first place?
From news where they tell about protests against certain actions by US?
Haven't you heard of US residents that disagrees with their own goverment....?
Do they also hate US?
or have you forgot that theres many other protests in europe, against different matters?
Of course US news agencies doesn't care of those other protests in europe, directed to other countries, right?

RRAM · « **Reply #19 on:** June 22, 2002, 02:28:12 AM »

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Originally posted by LtHans
(We're all a bunch of fat, selfhish people only interested in ourselves).

Fat not, Selfish prolly neiter (hehe).

But certainly you people tend to think the world turns around your own country, which is not true.

at least is the attitude I felt when I met some american guys here at spain (in one of those student programs of interchange, they were around 22 years old). That attitude is some people really don't like, honestly.

But from there, to hate you there's a world of hyperbole, so please stop exagerating. Or ,if you think you're right, please next time you put a foothold at europe try to know us...not to "feel" what do we think

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LtHans · « **Reply #20 on:** June 22, 2002, 04:14:45 AM »

Don't you dare put words in my mouth, Fishu. Where do you get off implying that those are MY views of the world? Did I not say that I felt differently?

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Europeans doesnt hate US.

That is not what is generally felt in the streets of the USA right now.

For a month or two after 9-11 everyone seemed to send their condolences to the USA, but as soon as we started doing something, then all we got was critism and protests. Not much else, excepting England. Australia, Russia, and Japan have been friendlier than mainland Europe.

What I am telling you is what the view of Europe in the United States is and where it is going. And yes, the words "they hateus Americans" are used alot more often these days by people when I talk about any sort of international politics.

Our general view of the rest of the world is, "But why? What did we do except stick our necks out to try and help others in the past?"

LtHans · « **Reply #21 on:** June 22, 2002, 04:56:41 AM »

Damnit, lost internet conection while posting.

This image should have been in the last post.

LtHans · « **Reply #22 on:** June 22, 2002, 05:12:39 AM »

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That attitude is some people really don't like, honestly.

That attitude is not attitude at all. That is what we are. Let me explain.

I'll paraphrase a bit an relate a story that happened to me when I visited Europe. We don't deal with foreigners all that often, excepting in universities. From what I saw in Europe when I was there is that crossing borders and getting to know new cultures is more or less a daily occurence.

But now take the time and look at a map.

You go from France to Germany on vacation. You have a good time and remember all the new things you did.

Now your American cousin goes on vacation. He leaves his native Florida and travels to Arizona, a much longer trip I might add. It's still the USA and alot of things are the same (language, curency, food, ect). He has a good time and remembers all the fun stuff he did.

Now you have your family reunion and the two of you talk. You mention how nice Germany was. He says how nice Arizona, USA was. You say how nice the beaches of Spain are, he says the same about South Carolina.

Now at some point the European person will begin to think, "what an egotistical bastard. All he can think about is his own country".

RRAM · « **Reply #23 on:** June 22, 2002, 05:17:53 AM »

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Originally posted by LtHans

Now at some point the European person will begin to think, "what an egotistical bastard. All he can think about is his own country".

no, LtHans, is more like the attitude of "I'm american ,you lesser creature" some american guys have when visiting other countries.

You might say is not true. Sadly it is. You might say the people like that are the less...but sadly they show otherwise here. At least the ones I've got to known.

Seems that for some americans, whatever is out of your boundaries is seen as "barbarians' land". I can understand you think great of your nation, but that doesn't make you better than anyone else in the world.

I hope you don't get this post as offensive, it doesn't intend to...but what I've wrote is what happens more times than what you think, and wich causes some people to be fed up of americans...because they don't know nothing about you,americans, but what they see in the american people they get to know here in europe.

I, for instance, see what you people think. How is your culture. I get to know your ideals and ways of thinking, and I understand and share the proudness you feel for your nation.

But for most of the people ,not english speakers, or not having so close a contact with an american group of people as I may have via internet, what they know about america is what they see in the movies, what they see and read in the media, and what they know first hand from the American guys they come to Europe.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to mean here

Fishu · « **Reply #24 on:** June 22, 2002, 05:26:57 AM »

LtHans,

As far as I know, you dont represent the people, so you don't know do they think europeans hate or just doesnt like.
If it however is so that they actually think europeans hate US, then they really need to quit being arrogant and accept that it doesn't make make people haters if they just protest political actions of a country.

I don't like many of US political things since Bush Jr. became president, but that doesn't make me dislike people or hate US.

It'd be also totally two-faced from US to think europeans as US haters because minority has peaceful protests in europe.
Or are you claiming that americans doesn't think bad of many countries?

anti-americans and haters..

that seems almost facistic view into things; everyone who disagrees, is enemy of the state.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 22, 2002, 05:57:19 AM »

we should never buy the F16
and now we gonna buy JSF

and where not gonna fit em with rolls royce engines
and a own indification system like england does

we should act more like marionets and always say yes and amen to USA.

There is nothing wrong with being proud on ur country
But if u love ur country u better critisize it 2

Dowding · « **Reply #26 on:** June 22, 2002, 07:53:12 AM »

Europe and the US need each other - they have more in common than differences.

If you think otherwise you're living in cloud cuckoo land - whichever side of the atlantic you live on.

Cobra · « **Reply #27 on:** June 22, 2002, 01:27:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Europe and the US need each other - they have more in common than differences.

If you think otherwise you're living in cloud cuckoo land - whichever side of the atlantic you live on.

Agreed Dowding, except for that common language thing

My job takes me to many different parts of the world....Hong Kong, China, Thailand, Sri Lanka, India, Belgium, England....etc., and I have the toughest time understanding my co-workers in London than any place in the world

...except for some folks I work with in the South...sorry HBlair

And Ramm....remember that you were dealing with guys who were 22 yrs old. Not real representative of an entire population of any sort, I'd say

. Of course young adult males will tend to be a bit more obnoxious than folks with a few more years under their belt....as a general rule anyway. Might even apply to a few Spainards running around

Cobra

RRAM · « **Reply #28 on:** June 22, 2002, 03:08:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Cobra

And Ramm....remember that you were dealing with guys who were 22 yrs old. Not real representative of an entire population of any sort, I'd say . Of course young adult males will tend to be a bit more obnoxious than folks with a few more years under their belt....as a general rule anyway. Might even apply to a few Spainards running around

Cobra

Cobra, I know. I know it very well. I've got to know more or less well some of you american guys (by internet only for now, mind you

), and I like a lot of what I see in you. I dislike some things but I like a lot more.

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What I'm trying to say is... this is MY experience. I know that those guys who I met personally were the exception, not the rule, and in any case maybe they were too young. (to be true I also found them to be REALLY nice guys after some touch, but at first glance the impression you got from them was "what a group of amazinhunks", more or less). I repeat...that is MY experience...but not most of the people's experience.

Because evident reasons (language, for instance), and because not everyone has internet and uses it to talk into an international community like this one, the only experience with americans that most of the people have in europe comes from tourists and young guys in student exchange programs.
And frankly the impression they leave is.....well. Is not good. At all.

I don't say, either, that EVERYONE's opinion is biased because just that. I just give an idea of what goes on here, but everything affects. Media also plays a part into this. Leftist groups (who hate USA because evident reasons

) have always had a strong tie with young people, so there you go, too.

Finally national jeallousy also plays a part (a major part). USA is a big country, very important and with lots of good things. There is people who dislike USA using a lot of arguments, but who ,in the end ,dislike it for being big and powerful, and for being the economical lead in the world. Is law of life, want it or not.

I know it sucks to see people say that your nation and people suck because they have a distorted and biased view of you. I know it in a lesser degree with my land and people.

All you can do is dismiss them as what they are. Jeallous people, or simply idiots. Nothing else.

28sweep · « **Reply #29 on:** June 24, 2002, 07:42:00 AM »

I must say that I have heard a lot about the "ugly american syndrome" here and I would agree that there is a problem but you must reliaze that w/ all of this wealth comes some problems. The US is maybe the only country that is soo rich even the un-educated can afford to travel. It is the un-educated american traveler who tends to be the ugly american....by far. I've seen it myself.........janitors in my business make 100,000 per/year and many of them vacation in Europe. Janitors w/ a junior high education arn't the best rep. of our great country. We don't see many like that from Europe over-here....