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Offline Sandman

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« on: June 23, 2002, 07:02:11 PM »
Is this true?

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As is their right (or was their right, anyway) in this country, a group of students was planning to offer peaceful (and even silent) protest in the way of turning their backs to Bush while he was taking. But no, apparently the right to dissent, the right to disagree, has been sacrificed on the alter of.....something, either the "police action" on terror (it's not a war - Congress hasn't declared war, and the Constitution, the document dearest to my heart, says that only they can declare war), to Bush's thin-skinnedness, or whatever - to me, it doesn't matter, as I'd sacrifice my life before I sacrificed that right.

Anyway, on with the story: while lining up to enter, graduating students were told that they would be expelled and arrested if they turned their backs. They were alerted that dozens of staff members and police officers would be watching the stands, as well as the Secret Service. A few students asked for the definition of expulsion....did it mean removal from the stadium or refusal of their diplomas, or both? One of the persons at the front said "Both. And what will your parents do when they are paged from the crowd to bail out their son?"

So, resolute in their faith in the 1st Amendment, some students turned their back on Bush despite the threats against their entire futures. And they were immediately led out of the stadium by the cops. During the walk, the cops refused to say whether or not the students were under arrest. At the exit, the cops informed the students that they were being charged with disturbing the peace, but if they left (and this is THEIR GRADUATION, mind you), the charges would be dropped.
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2002, 07:16:07 PM »
Ausgezeichnet!  :D

Hopefully Bush will start shooting them next!  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2002, 07:38:06 PM »
*Sniff Sniff*
I smell urban myth.
Somebody check Snopes.

Offline Thrawn

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2002, 07:41:00 PM »
Just did, no mention of it yet.

Offline john9001

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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2002, 07:48:30 PM »
liberal urban whine

Offline KG45

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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2002, 07:55:17 PM »
ok, so, citizens execising thier 1st amendment right to protest should be shot?

how very american.

maybe we should pledge allegience to herr shrub, instead of to the flag of the US of A?

just saying...
all you fascists, you're bound to lose...

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2002, 07:58:12 PM »
who got shot???/

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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2002, 08:00:46 PM »
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who got shot???/


Buckwheat!!  Buchwheat has been shot.!  I repeat Buckwheat has been shot!!

Offline Gadfly

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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2002, 09:08:39 PM »
That is a roadkill story, probably based upon a true one.  When GW was Guv, a student stood up and yelled naughty words in the State Legistature.  He was charged with what ever the rule was he broke, but has since left Texas for parts unknown.

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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2002, 09:19:51 PM »
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ok, so, citizens execising thier 1st amendment right to protest should be shot?  



We can only hope!

Offline Cabby44

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2002, 12:03:52 AM »
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"it's not a war - Congress hasn't declared war, and the Constitution, the document dearest to my heart, says that only they can declare war), to Bush's thin-skinnedness, or whatever - to me, it doesn't matter, as I'd sacrifice my life before I sacrificed that right. "

ROFL!!!!

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2002, 05:05:41 AM »
"By sharing the pain of a friend, or bearing the hopes of a child, or defending the liberty of your fellow citizens you will gain satisfaction that cannot be gained in any other way," Bush said.

Shrub said this while people were being expelled for doing just that.

Ol' Adolph would be proud to see his philosophy lives on......

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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2002, 06:26:46 AM »
Well...considering that the source is http://www.morons.com, I think we have the answer to two questions right there.
1) What is the credability of the source, and
2) is it possible that some liberals know what they are

Offline Mickey1992

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2002, 08:15:54 AM »
I can't link to the Columbus Dispatch article from last Tuesday because registration is required.

"Ohio State University's high-profile commencement last week continues to grab national attention. But not the kind the university wants.

Held in Ohio Stadium with President Bush as speaker, the event has become a rallying cry for free-speech protection.

Ohio State has received more than 1,000 e-mails criticizing its handling of graduation -- mostly complaints that officials tried to silence protesters and took a blatantly pro-Bush stance.

University spokesmen say the cyber chatter has spun out of control and is riddled with inaccuracies.

Much of the flap concerns comments by Richard Hollingsworth, associate vice president for student affairs, who, as the ceremony began, threatened arrest for any disruption of commencement.

"Disruptions, including obstructing the view or hearing of others, will not be permitted. Persons who fail to follow the directions of university and law-enforcement officials will be removed from the stadium and subject to arrest,'' Hollingsworth told the crowd.

He had similarly warned graduates at rehearsal the day before.

Ohio State wanted to ensure that the event stayed focused on the graduation, said Lee Tashjian, vice president for communication. "We, as a university, certainly have no problems with dissent. But what we meant is peaceful, nonviolent dissent.''

The American Civil Liberties Union said OSU was within its rights to set limits, but the warning probably had a chilling effect.

"It's that open-ended structure of the threat, the standardlessness, that makes it pernicious. You don't know where the line is so you censor yourself,'' said Raymone Vasvari, legal director of ACLU's Ohio office, based in Cleveland.

"Is there a right for people to boo in (the stadium)? Probably. Is there the right for 50 people to boo and drown out the speaker? Probably not.''

Yoshie Furuhashi, an OSU graduate student who opposes U.S. foreign policy, among other things, and protested at commencement, said Hollingsworth's comments worked. "There would have been more people protesting if it hadn't been for that remark,'' she said.

A protest outside the stadium drew about 30 people who complained about Bush's politics and policy in Afghanistan.

By OSU's count, two students and six visitors stood up in the stadium and turned their backs to Bush while he spoke.

"They were politely approached (and told) not to obstruct the view of others, and they complied,'' said OSU spokeswoman Amy Murray. The protesters moved into aisles.

Standing up at graduation differs from rising during a football game because "in a football game . . . everybody at the stadium is standing up. And that's not a 20-minute long play, either,'' Murray said. Bush spoke for about 20 minutes, talking about the value of community service.

Tashjian said many of the e-mails, which ranged from effrontery to eloquence, were copied to various OSU officials, so he doesn't know how many people actually wrote.

"We have zero that came from people at the ceremony,'' he said.

The flood of feedback began after an Associated Press story was posted Friday on Yahoo's Web site that Tashjian said contained several factual errors, including that OSU asked for a round of applause for President Bush. The request was for OSU President William E. Kirwan because it was his last OSU graduation.

One New York watchdog group, Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting, sent 27,000 e-mails on Monday, critiquing media coverage of the event. Mikael Elsila, a Brooklyn, N.Y., musician, said the message shocked him.

"To me, that sounds like the beginning of a police state when you can't turn your back on the president,'' Elsila said.

Murray said the ground rules were set by top OSU officials who were mindful of another high-profile visit that went awry. In 1998, protesters heckled, shouted and chanted while U.S. cabinet members tried to discuss relations with Iraq at a town meeting in St. John Arena."

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2002, 08:44:12 AM »
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liberal urban whine


LOL!