Author Topic: Should the Dewoitine D 520 have a place in AH? (Read 1364 times)

gofaster · « **on:** June 28, 2002, 09:24:21 AM »

Less than 700 manufactured, but in service from 1940 to 1945. Initial opponents were Italian FIAT biplanes and German Me-109Es until French collapse. Just before surrender of France, they were flown across the Med into Africa where the Vichy French puppet government used them against RAF Hurricanes. Armed with a single cannon in the nose and four 7.9mm machine guns in the wings, they were thought to be slower than the Me-109E, but more maneuverable and better gunned.

We should have some French representation, and the Dewoitine D 520 is considered to be the best French plane of WW2.

Sikboy · « **Reply #1 on:** June 28, 2002, 09:25:13 AM »

Perk it!

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #2 on:** June 28, 2002, 09:25:56 AM »

Some were used by the FAF, and the Russians had a couple they re-engined.

Yes, it should be created for a Battle of France scenario.
-SW

straffo · « **Reply #3 on:** June 28, 2002, 09:30:37 AM »

I'm sorry sw but I think you confused the D520 and the MS406.
The finns put russian engine on the MS406

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #4 on:** June 28, 2002, 09:35:44 AM »

Ah yes, you're right. Although the tail does look the same.

Hmmm... add 'em both then!

-SW

Hortlund · « **Reply #5 on:** June 28, 2002, 09:37:06 AM »

Did it see combat?

French pilots remember... rruunnnaawayyyyy

gofaster · « **Reply #6 on:** June 28, 2002, 09:45:17 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo
I'm sorry sw but I think you confused the D520 and the MS406.
The finns put russian engine on the MS406

Yes, here is the MS406 in Finnish markings, used in the Winter War 1941-1944. Finland only had 50 of them in total. Most of the MS406 saw service in France (as brief as the invasion was - they threw cows at the Germans and then run awaaaaayyyy!).

Standard MS406 armament was a 20mm cannon with two 7.5mm machine guns, so I would think the D520 would be preferred by most pilots in AH because of the better gun lethality for the D520.

If the Brewster Buffalo is ever introduced in Finland colors, then the MS406 could be introduced in French colors, so that Finland has 2 planes (109G2 and Buffalo) and France would have 2 planes (D520 and MS406). Make sense?

straffo · « **Reply #7 on:** June 28, 2002, 09:55:09 AM »

Concerning the D520/MS406 it won't work in the MA (to many late war wonder ...
but it can be used in scenarii

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #8 on:** June 28, 2002, 09:59:33 AM »

I'm sure the MS406 (or even 410, if it was produced in decent numbers) would be a fun ride in the MA... even with it's current state.

I know I'd fly it, but hell.. I PREFER early war planes to the uber- monsters.
-SW

Duedel · « **Reply #9 on:** June 28, 2002, 10:19:08 AM »

Dewoitine D.520 -> Yes plz!

General data
Seats: 1
Date service: 2/1940

Performance
Engine: Hispano-Suiza12Y-45
Max. speed: 535 km/h
Power: 1x697 kW
Range: 890 km

Dimensions
Length: 8.60 m
Height: 2.57 m
Span: 10.20 m

Armament
Guns: 1x20mm HS-404, 4x7.5mm MAC34M39

K West · « **Reply #10 on:** June 28, 2002, 10:21:30 AM »

How long was it in service, how much combat did it see and how many planes did it shoot down?

Westy

(not my 'yard stick' but I think it applies...

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ra · « **Reply #11 on:** June 28, 2002, 10:30:31 AM »

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Much more than the Ta-152.

Dr Zhivago · « **Reply #12 on:** June 28, 2002, 10:38:37 AM »

More early war planes plz...

Breguet Bre 693 (234 produced)
Crew: two (Pilot and radio operator/rear gunner)
Max speed at sea level 360 kmh (224mph)
Max speed at 5000m (16,400ft) 495 kmh (308mph)
Climb to 4,000 m (13,100ft) 8min 30sec
Service ceiling 9,500m (31,200ft)
Range 1,450km (901mi)

Armament
20mm Hispano-Suiza Cannon (60rds+2x15 or 2x30rds, nose)
2 x 7.5mm Darne MGs (500 rds, nose)
7.5mm Darne MG (6x100 rds, rear cockpit)
7.5mm Darne MG (500 rds, ventral position)
2 x 7.5mm Darne MGs (engine nacelle firing aft)
Bobmload
8x50kg (8x110lb) bombs

Bloch MB.152 (699 produced)
Max speed 320mph (515kmh) at 13,125ft (4000m)
max cruising speed 280mph (450kmh)
service ceiling 32,810ft (10,000m)
range 373miles (600km)

Armamet
two 20mm Hispano 404 cannon (60 rounds each)
two 7.5mm MGs (500 rounds each)
OR
four 7.5mm MGs

Chanter · « **Reply #13 on:** June 28, 2002, 10:44:47 AM »

In service early 1940.

Initially 101 were delivered in May 1940. Some Sqn credits include: GC I/3, GC II/3, GC III/3, III/6 and III/7 who were credited with 147 kills, losing 85 fighters and 44 pilots. (pre-1942)

740 total produced, of which 411 were seized by the LW in 1942, some of which were passed to Italy, Romania and Bulgaria. In 1944, C I/8 was reformed and painting over German insignia, they fought against the last remaining German pockets in Southern France.

source - Illustrated Directory of Fighting Aircraft - Bill Gunston.
pp 10, 11.

Hope this helps,

gofaster · « **Reply #14 on:** June 28, 2002, 11:52:25 AM »

I think the D520 would match well against the other early-war types being introduced, and some that we already have such as the Macchi fighters and the early Spitfire and Seafire planes. Its biggest contribution would be in scenarios - Dunkirk comes to mind, along with some of the Africa campaigns and, of course, the Finnish wars.

I'd like to see the D205, the MS406, the Japanese Hayate fighter, and the Stuka added to the plane list (keeping with the tradition of adding planes 4 at a time).