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« on: July 01, 2002, 10:17:51 AM »
This is interesting:

Most people are aware that the Chinese government made it law in 1979 that couples were allowed to have only one child.  Like many societies worldwide, the Chinese tend to favor boy over girl babies for a multitude of reasons.  This governmental policy has created a situation in China that may cause a legion of social and political troubles in that region during the coming 20 years.

After the most recent census conducted in China in 2000, the discovery was made that the ratio of boys born to girls born had reached 116.9 boys born to 100 girls.  In the poor region of the Hubei Province the ratio has gotten to a startling 130.3 boys for every 100 girls.  For the purposes of comparison, the ratio in the United States was 104.8 boys per 100 girls during 2000.

What this all leads to is a terrifying imbalance in the population as
these groups approach the age where they would normally meet and marry their mate.  The estimates about this imbalance range from the very conservative 29 million to a more realistic 40 million Chinese men who will NEVER be able to meet anyone to marry due to these very simple mathematics.  Worse still is that many other countries within that region of the world are suffering similar imbalances.  Here is the current "surplus" of men expected by 2020 in several countries:

China - 40,600,000
India - 37,100,000
Bangladesh - 3,500,000
Pakistan - 3,300,000
Afghanistan - 800,000
Taiwan - 600,000
Nepal - 600,000

If you are wondering why in the heck you should care about such a thing, then you have never spent any time around a bunch of young, single men who are unable to locate a girlfriend or wife.  There is just too much energy and testosterone to sit around idle and play cards. These men are also likely to be the social outcasts who are too poor, ugly, unlucky or stupid to hook up with one of the highly sought after women.  If you can imagine that they might be a little irritable and angry then you understand the basis for my concern.

Similar situations have occurred throughout history before and
governments scramble to quell the unrest before civil war breaks out. The methods that these governments use are surprisingly standard and predictable:

1)  Start a war.  During the Middle Ages Portugal found themselves in similar situation and sent all the unmarried, landless men off to North Africa to plunder and conquer during the Crusades.  If anyone thinks this tension between India and Pakistan is going to just go away, then they are simply kidding themselves.  Some sort of major conflict will grow increasingly inevitable, as years pass and it now appears that any such conflict may very well be a nuclear one.

2)  Impose some sort of martial law.  It unlikely that the government will allow any situation to become more unstable and will clamp down on any uprising with an iron fist.  The idea that any of the countries listed above will become wonderful, peaceful democracies is an unlikely daydream.

3)  Begin massive public works projects away from the majority of the population.  China has already begun some huge programs in the vast Western region in an effort to keep these single men busy and away from anywhere they might start trouble.

4)  Make them all police officers.  This idea is along the same idea as the public works projects, but instead these men can be used to crush any uprising or social unrest.  China is already well into making this a reality in the recent growth of the People's Armed Police, which is a paramilitary group used to react to riots or other disturbances.  This strategy goes part and parcel with the prospect of martial law.

The United States and Europe have been spoiled with prosperity and peace for decades and the prospect of continued unrest around the world might be unsettling but it will continue.  Worst of all is that many of these countries view us as immoral and their enemy, which could mean we may end up a target of their rage when they seek someone to blame for their misfortune.  At the very least it is something to keep careful watch of.
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2002, 12:28:12 PM »
Its only a matter of time before they invade Taiwan, should be interesting to see what the US does in retaliation, economically or brute force...

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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020701-95731060.htm

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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2002, 12:29:50 PM »
I always figured that China and India would eventually go to war to kill off their extra men.  The US is to far away from them.  Plus they really don't have the Navy or the Airforces to safely transport these guys across the Pacific.

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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2002, 12:34:45 PM »
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I always figured that China and India would eventually go to war to kill off their extra men.  The US is to far away from them.  Plus they really don't have the Navy or the Airforces to safely transport these guys across the Pacific.


That could be a likely scenario...you DO know what China's Gov't doctrine is don't you?

To rule the world, by whatever means it takes.(Lately, they're taking the economic route, as many overseas Asian investors are now turning toward China rather than the Western countries)  At least they get right to the point.

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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2002, 12:35:57 PM »
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Sheeit Rip, I'm gonna report you to your employer for thousands of wasted man hours.

And then try to get your job.

BTW, does this mean that males are the more likely offspring than ladies?
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2002, 12:38:18 PM »
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BTW, does this mean that males are the more likely offspring than ladies?
-SW


No, it means that female offspring are either aborted or killed soon after being born.

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2002, 12:38:39 PM »
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12255

Sheeit Rip, I'm gonna report you to your employer for thousands of wasted man hours.

And then try to get your job.

BTW, does this mean that males are the more likely offspring than ladies?
-SW


Hehe, I just did the equivlent of 12 man hours of work with a push of a button this morning...did I tell you how much I love scripts?

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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2002, 12:39:46 PM »
Ah, okay. I thought it might mean males were the more common offspring, cuz in the US in 2000 it was 104.8 to 100.. or something like that.

That is of course a very small difference, but it just made me wonder.
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2002, 12:44:33 PM »
Biologically speaking, females should be more common. All embryos are female, and require hormonal input to become male.

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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2002, 12:45:42 PM »
I am surprised there are more males than females in the US . So when we learned in biology class that female offspring are more common in our species than male that is untrue ? Or is this a result of parental selection ?

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2002, 12:46:51 PM »
Right midnite, the Y chromosome .

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2002, 01:33:25 PM »
if I remember corectly (and I sometimes do) from science/health class.  more male babys are born than female but by the time you reach adulthood there are more females than males.

mostly because- afirmitive action aside- men are more likely to get involved in activitys that will get them killed prematurely.

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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2002, 01:49:03 PM »
5) Open more brothels.

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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2002, 02:17:25 PM »
Or, kill off the spare men.

 fair's fair.

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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2002, 02:41:43 PM »
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That could be a likely scenario...you DO know what China's Gov't doctrine is don't you?
To rule the world, by whatever means it takes.(Lately, they're taking the economic route, as many overseas Asian investors are now turning toward China rather than the Western countries)  At least they get right to the point.

Ahhhhh. So presumably they've just been biding their time all these years... lulling us into a false sense of security? And their enormous military spending of 1.2% of their GDP ($12.608 billion) far outstrips the peace loving USA's 3.2% ($276.7 billion), and shows they're well on track to take over everything.... :D
Nope, I don't buy into the China wants to take over the world nonsense. They want Taiwan, and that's it. Hey - Taiwan's ruling dictatorship wanted China back for most of it's rule. The rest of the world is full of horrible foreign devils - why on earth would they want it?!?! They won't let foreigners become Chinese citizens. You may recall that earlier on they actually built a big wall trying to keep everyone out. They also discovered Africa long before the Europeans had got to exploring stuff. Did they take over Africa and enslave everyone? Nope. They went home thinking "Barbarians! It's nothing but barbarians out there! Build a wall, quick!" That's not to say they want the horrible foreign devils dead, either - who they going sell stuff to if the foreigners are all dead?
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