New Bomber stuff SUCKS!!!!

[MugZ]

Originally posted by hitech
Bendover the 2 secs is just a minimum. You will get much better calibrations with longer messures.

HiTech....... You are reading this thread.  My Bomber formation has been killed many many times by a single fighter. Most of the time they kill 2 b17's on their first pass and the remaining bomber on the second pass.  There are mounting complaints in the MA. That say the B17 Formation must be much softer than the single B17 was in the previous version of AH.  Were there any changes to B17 hardness to compensate for the advantage of having 3 bombers in a single players control?  If So, Why?  A Plane is as tough as a plane is.  Or it isnt.  Also could a poor frame rate or a frame rate that fluctuates, give false info to Speed Calibration in the bomber scope?  Perhapes this is some of our problems with acuracy in an OFFLINE controled environment.  Where i have made 50 plus bomber runs with a success rate of maybe 2% LOL.

[DRGON]

HT, I have been working at this since the update. And I have tried just about everything in the book to get it right. Longer measures dropping throttle,remeasuring,Everything and still havent been able to hit CHIT.got lucky once hit a gunemplcement at VH when I was aiming for a Fighter hanger.
  Also listen to main arena one day see how many complaints there are about new map and bomb sites. Getting alot of low FR and Lag due to large map.Like the desert terrain but Its just way to big to many bases.There was nothing wrong with the 23 bases per side hell even 30 bases would be good But 100+ perside is alittle ridiculis. Consider it alot of talk of leaving going on because of new system.alot from my squad of 30+
  Anyway alot of the talk was about messing with a paying mans game we pay for it it would have been nice to ask us about it before it was done.
  That is all for now.

P.S please consider an alternative to current bombing setup. Formations are ok but bombing sight needs work.

[Otto]

"Thx for using the Germany map Kweassa I bet alot of guys download it now just for the airstarts."

OK.....  So how do I select airstarts offline?  I really need to practice with this new setup.

[sling322]

If you are using the Germany map that 10bears created, pick a base in the west side....48 I think was one of them, but I am not sure.  If you select the 'H' as your start, instead of starting in the hangar, you start at 30k in the NW corner of map near the compass symbol.  Pull your gear in immediately and start your engines.  By the time you get started and level, you should be at around 25k  headed SE.  

[Otto]

Sling, thanks a lot

I checked all the fields and it looks like the airstart is at  A29

[Xjazz]

Originally posted by MugZ

So do it online for all to see.  Yada yada yada  

Blaa   Blaa

First practise, then try it and then judge it...

[lazs2]

wotan said..... "If anyone has been around this board long enough knoes how I felt about the previous buff model. You may have heard me use terms like "No skill fluffers" ruining the fun of the majority of the arena. I was right on then. "

shame on you wotan... i can't imagine how you could have come up with such a cruel and insensitve a statement.

I believe that gameplay has gotten better with the "building battlers" out of the equation and the fluffs unable to sink cv's.... heck... they might not even be fluffs any more.
lazs

[SPIKER]

Give the guys the easy mode switch, or just let them practice.  It has been already what - 5 days.

[Zigrat]

i think the bomber enhancements are the best gameplay modification to ah yet.  now it sure takes some skill to hit stuff.

[Pongo]

Originally posted by MugZ

 You have no bomber rides in the Main either.  Please show me that you know a thing or 2 about the new Nordan Sight.  Score some meaningfull hits in the MA.

there you go.
I did one bomber mission in the MA that I was trying to bomb fixed targets at. All other sorties are aborted goon runs or trying to level bomb a cv..(very challenging) I was interecepted over the first target by a hog d and killed him and hit the base.
I destroyed the towns at 2 bases, 4 hangers. lots of acks and a fuel and an anti aircraft factory.  All these targets were at different altitudes. They where spread over 4 sectors of real estate. All where hit with single drops of 1k bombs from 3 lancs.

Not that I have a thing to prove to you but there you go. This system is easier and more accurate than many people are saying. A lancaster sorti is far more dangerous then it was.
I would have got more hangers but the calibrator dous not let you pick an alt for a second target..when you recalibrate your stuck at the first targets alt.

[moose]

Originally posted by MugZ

HiTech....... You are reading this thread.  My Bomber formation has been killed many many times by a single fighter. Most of the time they kill 2 b17's on their first pass and the remaining bomber on the second pass.  There are mounting complaints in the MA. That say the B17 Formation must be much softer than the single B17 was in the previous version of AH.  Were there any changes to B17 hardness to compensate for the advantage of having 3 bombers in a single players control?  If So, Why?  A Plane is as tough as a plane is.  Or it isnt.  Also could a poor frame rate or a frame rate that fluctuates, give false info to Speed Calibration in the bomber scope?  Perhapes this is some of our problems with acuracy in an OFFLINE controled environment.  Where i have made 50 plus bomber runs with a success rate of maybe 2% LOL.

afaik htc never 'compensates' for anything

b17s are all supposed to be same amount of damage. you're prolly taking alot more 30mm, those seem to be more widely used now.

and btw my 1st impression of you by your posts above (checking stats and such) is that you must be about 10 years old. It's just really petty and you come off as a complete amazinhunk.

[Sikboy]

For guys who consistantly drop long...

I have a similar problem, but I'm pretty sure that it's joystick related. I have a VERY hard time keeping the crosshairs painted on my calibration point. This tulips me up almost every time. I don't mean to sound like a love muffin, or imply that you are dweebs, fools, morons ect (since any such reference would implicate myself) but are you able to keep the crosshairs on the calibration point for the full 2-20 seconds or whatever you are aiming for?

My drops have all been comical to say the least, but I'm pretty sure that I've ironed out my problem. We'll see tonight when I take a few more test runs. Oh, and yes, this is all done off line. So maybe it doesn't count.

-Sikboy

[Shiva]

Its not a matter of understanding how the Calibration works. A three year old can understand the Calibration proceedure. Its a matter of how consistant the calabration is in a controlled invironment. I Have made 30 or so Offline flights. No WIND, Same Launch base, Same Target , A town. Same Alt. 12,000 ft., Same Speed 170 Mph , Salvo set to 20x100lbs. and delay at several different settings. With a sucess rate of about 20% ROFLOL. I Suck.

It's not that bad, Mugz. Working with the bombsight, I've been able to get a success rate of about 80%. Offline. When I'm online, I've been pretty sucky, too; I'm finally getting the hang of getting the sight calibrated with one hand while I try to swat fighters with the other, but I'm only up to about 20% accuracy at the moment.

I'm really getting tired of the way the drone buffs play 'Flying Circus' when the lead bomber loses a major piece of airframe, though --  from what I remember of actual procedure during WWII, once you were lined up for drop, you didn't break your straight-and-level for anything, but when I bail out of the lead plane after losing a wing, I invariably find the drones 80 degrees nose-down happily following the tumbling lead plane as it falls out of the sky. By the time I recover into level flight, the drop's blown to hell and all I can do is try to gun the damn fighter off my back before he waxes the rest of my formation -- I've given up hope of ever being able to extend enough to make another pass on my target.

[Ripsnort]

Electroman, HTC luckily doesn't pay much attention to someone with 3 posts.

Get some skill, deal with it, become proficient, train hard, reward will be yours.

[Otto]

When I first read about the new system I was excited.  

   When I first tired it; I was a failure. I just couldn't make it work

   Then, like a lot of other people, I looked for all the information available from people who COULD make it work (thanks Kweassa) and I went out and practiced.

Now I can do this:    

(don't be confued buy the data in the top left.  I have 'jumped' back to calibration mode for my BDA)