Author Topic: My pet peeve: Ground Vehicles. (Read 1099 times)

brady · « **Reply #45 on:** July 18, 2002, 05:20:29 AM »

Perking it is a seriously bad idea. The impact on GV game play would be appaling.

SirLoin · « **Reply #46 on:** July 18, 2002, 07:16:08 AM »

What the heck...I vote perk the Ostie 5 points.

Wipe eveyone's vehicle points clean and start fresh.

JimBear · « **Reply #47 on:** July 18, 2002, 08:11:40 AM »

Go ahead perk the Ostwind, just give me the Wirblwind to replace it (after all it only has quad 20mm and it was in action in large numbers). You aint heard wailing or whines until that thing would show itself.

brady · « **Reply #48 on:** July 18, 2002, 03:52:11 PM »

How many people are going to scream foul when they die before they get a kill when somewone drops a bomb on them? What this realy boils down to it seams to me is that people are just to lazy to take the time to set them up.

The moral to the story is, you can't "HO" an osty.

Voss · « **Reply #49 on:** July 18, 2002, 04:24:36 PM »

Just last night I knocked the wing off of a B17. It was 10,000 ft. over our field. One hit from 3.3k distance and his wing falls off. No wonder I get killed so much in my Tiffy!

Raubvogel · « **Reply #50 on:** July 18, 2002, 05:09:25 PM »

If they aren't going to properly model the weapons and armor, then the Osty should be a cheap perk....say 5-10 points. Let some of the other vehicles get more use. Just my 2 cents

MrLars · « **Reply #51 on:** July 18, 2002, 06:07:05 PM »

Perk them for remote spawning only....if someone want's to use it as a building buster then let them pay for it...base defence in an Osty should be free IMO.

SKurj · « **Reply #52 on:** July 18, 2002, 09:38:20 PM »

I like MrLars idea +)

SKurj

brady · « **Reply #53 on:** July 18, 2002, 09:58:57 PM »

The offensive use of GV's is one of the funest aspects of GVing, imo, if you take away the osty from that GV's will not beused as often in that role and when they are to litle effect. GV's other than the Osty are redicusly easy to kill, and it is almost imposable to give beter than u get in anything but an osty in terms of GV's.

The perking of the C hog is not a good comparision to the osty, if the osty is limited nothing will replace it, their is nothing to take it's place, unlike the C hog who's role could would and was filled by a ton of diferent plane types.

Also the osty is realy representave of a number of different AA platforms on armored chasies, used by a number of diferent countries. The Russians had a similar wepon sys, as did the British, and the US army's not to mention various German Mobile AA guns.

It realy seams to me that some of you keep geting stung, because you keep making the same mistakes in atacking them.

brady · « **Reply #54 on:** July 18, 2002, 10:03:51 PM »

Ok If I can have a positive K/D aganst the uber osty I am shure that any of you can do the same:

bradys5 has 48 kills and has been killed 38 times against the Ostwind.

Granted that ratio is nothing to be proud of but it does go to prove that it is certainly possable.

bradys5 has 16 kills and has been killed 10 times in the Hurricane IIC against the Ostwind.

Thats without bombs mind you.

Turbot · « **Reply #55 on:** July 18, 2002, 10:11:32 PM »

nuff said

Urchin · « **Reply #56 on:** July 18, 2002, 10:38:28 PM »

I think there are several easy things to do that would 'fix' GVs, in my opinion.

1. Perk the Ostwind. When people 'but there is nothing to replace it', that isn't true. The M16 is also an AA platform. Of course, nobody uses it now because it cant kill people in one hit.

2. Remove the M8 and replace it with something useful, like a rock, or maybe a sheet of paper.

3. Weaken the M3 and M16 (for unarmored vehicles they are entirely too tough).

4. Make the Ostwind much easier to disable- that is an OPEN TURRET that gun is sitting in after all... and it wasn't remotely manned either.

5. Up the damage the Panzer does against buildings with HE rounds, and model one that has something slightly more effective at air defense than a single 7.92mm MG with limited traverse.

6. If for some reason, perking the Ostwind proves untenable, then lower the damage it does against other vehicles and buildings. It is supposed to be a mobile AA platform, not a roving destroyer-killer robot.

I'm seriously wondering why the M8 is in the game at all? What was HT and company thinking? Were they serious when they put this in? "Yea, lets put in a GV that every other GV can kill with ease. Wait.. even better than that, lets make it doesn't have a chance in hell of actually killing any of the other GVs either. Man, that'll be such a HOOT to drive around in!"

Drive an M8 for a couple days, you'll understand why I am 'whining'. I saw planes actually break off someones dead 6 to strafe me, because they knew I'm an easier kill than the plane is. That is truly pathetic.

Toad · « **Reply #57 on:** July 18, 2002, 11:06:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin

5. Up the damage the Panzer does against buildings with HE rounds, and model one that has something slightly more effective at air defense than a single 7.92mm MG with limited traverse.

Can we model some poor dumb schmuck that has to stand with his upper torso above the turret in order to operate the turret flex-mount MG? And model the damage that a hail of heavy MG fire would do to him?

And when the vehicle commander is reduced to a smear of strawberry jello on top of the turret and the gunner takes his place and gets smeared as well... shouldn't the tank have to stop if the driver comes up to man the gun?

Oh, and yeah... can the heavy MG's from other planes and vehicles have more range and overall damage capability than the 7.92's?

As you can see, I'm not a real big fan of the GV's myself.

But hey, if some treadhead gets off on it... whatever.

I do think the anti-air capabilities of most of the GV's are a bit... overmodeled... but that's just me. I think they should be maybe easier to kill with bombs and hard to kill with most all airborne guns. OTOH, I think the GV's ability to ping/shoot down aircraft with a single light MG a long range is... questionable at best.

Before you all light the torches and build the gallows, let me say that they don't bother me much. When I'm not in the mood, I just don't play their game. When I'm in the mood, I take bombs and drop from altitude. Works for me anyway.

Samm · « **Reply #58 on:** July 18, 2002, 11:14:44 PM »

I have to say that I don't like the ostwinds ability to fire endlessly without having to pause and reload.

If you get killed in an airplane or panzer by an ostwind slap yourself for doing something stupid learn from it and move on .

Honestly I have a harder time killing b17s than I do ostwinds . If you let an ostwind get close to your panzer you've made your last mistake . If you are in a plane and you want to kill an ostwind without using rockets or bombs do so with the knowledge that you will problably die .

P38 with 10 rockets and two bombs= Ostwind's nightmare .

brady · « **Reply #59 on:** July 18, 2002, 11:22:53 PM »

Perking the Ostwind is a bad idea, the M16 is entirely to easy to die in and theirfore not a sutible or logical replacement, the root problem is that aircraft can kill every GV in the Game except the ostwind with very little chance of dying in so doing.

The M3 and M16 are armored vehicals.

Personaly other a general revamping of the GV armor modeling i think the osty is prety easy to kill disable.