Author Topic: Training Newbies (Read 1431 times)

BGBMAW · « **Reply #45 on:** July 30, 2002, 02:30:46 PM »

Puh...

1) How old are you??......Over 18 and we will help train you

and would be happy to have you in our squad,,if things work

2) Swicth to Knigths if you want help from us....

3) there is usaully on of us MAW's on all the time..

4) Please read all the offline help pages on the HTC website first..I did,,and i am BADDDD asssss...well most of the time..lollo

5) Please dont get discourgaed..IT a very tuff game to get a hold on to quikly..especially when your joystik settings arent tuned..(Plane seems to Bounce around way too much when trying to KILLL)...

Love BiGB

BGBMAW 1st Marine Air Wing

Puh · « **Reply #46 on:** August 01, 2002, 10:11:03 AM »

BigB, thanks for the offer, however my main interest is to join a squadron that plays Central European Time on their squad nights and I got the feeling you're mostly americans when watching your homepage.

Regards,
Puh

ccvi · « **Reply #47 on:** August 01, 2002, 12:19:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Puh
A few question from a true AH newb.

I'm not sure if I understand this completely, but reading this thread makes me wonder, especially about one thing.
Is there somewhere I can set a flag saying "I'm a new pilot, give me help!" or do I have to ask everytime I join about help/tips?

Good question! Are all players on the list just those in their first two weeks?

pat0r0 · « **Reply #48 on:** August 12, 2002, 11:41:43 AM »

I hopped on yesturday for the first time and i was so unprepared I was too embarrassed to ask for a trainer. Next time on I will seek out a trainer. My first impressions are based on previous flight sims I fly in and my old keypad habits come into play hehe. tracerx i will be more than willing to be your student during my 2 week trial. You have a sense of humor and that is a good thing for a trainer to have. I need help mainly with getting use to the flight model. the rest of the stuff I'll learn by reading the availible info. Relpying to your list of questions I would say all(and/or most of the above) apply. The intial setup in this game is pretty overwelming for a newbie(at least one that did not do enough pre-reading such as myself). Communication is the most important item on the list and use of the radio should be the first lesson. Perhaps AH could expand on the initial pop up that ask if a newbie would like to contact a trainer with an additional option lesson on how to use the radio. Just a newbie suggestion. This seems like a fun game so far so I look forward to the next two weeks. If you see me online the answer is YES YES YES I need HEEEEELLLLPPPPP!!!

Thanks for trying to help us newbies I know it can be frustating at times.

PS are there any plans to set up a scheduled time for newbies to learn the basics in the TA? Maybe some classes to help familiarize us lost sheep to find their way.

Thnx pat0r0

aka
pat-r- in DOA, RB3d, Warbirds 2 & 3

bizket · « **Reply #49 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:21:56 PM »

Pat-r!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now there is a blast from the past. Good to see you over here:)

bizket · « **Reply #50 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:27:59 PM »

BTW after you get used to the different commands and keymappings you'll see that there is not much difference between this and WBs. All the ACM and tatics you learned over there apply just as well here. The biggest thing your going to have to get used to is the timing. I wouldnt worry to much you were one hell of a stick in DoA and I'm sure you'll do just fine here.

poopster · « **Reply #51 on:** August 13, 2002, 08:07:12 PM »

Where I could I changed the keymappings to mirror WB. Did the same with IL-2. Few things different but where I could I changed them.

Vehicles were a different matter. Never used them anywhere else.

pat0r0 · « **Reply #52 on:** August 14, 2002, 06:40:26 AM »

Hi ya bizket. looks like I'm the getting blasted so far hehe

TracerX · « **Reply #53 on:** August 14, 2002, 07:22:40 PM »

pat0r0, it sounds like you are starting on the right foot. Having WB experience and reading the help files is more than I had when I started! You have a huge head start with just those two items. I would be glad to hook up with you for training some time. I will look for you online in the evenings (U.S. time). I'm no obie-wan, but I think I can show you how to make flying a little easier. Good luck!

pat0r0 · « **Reply #54 on:** August 15, 2002, 06:08:29 AM »

TY Tracerx

Yippee38 · « **Reply #55 on:** August 15, 2002, 02:48:31 PM »

Speaking of training newbies, isn't there supposed to be a staff of trainers (even before the training button thing) who you could contact and schedule training with them in the TA? Not so much for interface help, but for flight training.

Back in AW, there was regularly scheduled training and it was AWESOME. It usually was lecture/practice in format and was very worthwhile.

I think the biggest problem with AH right now is the initial experience for noobs. If a new player find the website and downloads the sim, they jump in it and there is no help documentation at all. They have to leave the game and go search the website. Even that is poorly organized. The best documentation lets you see what is being described and let you do what is being described. That's why in-game documentation is essential.

There should be some kind of tutorial mode. If you've ever played Dark Age of Camelot, you know what I mean. It should be a mouse-click navigatible menu with things to set up first and common questions and answers.

Make it so a newbie doesn't have to ask, "How do I start my engine?"

Oh. I almost forgot. Training should NEVER, EVER be used as a recruiting tool.

fuzeman · « **Reply #56 on:** August 15, 2002, 03:42:39 PM »

A little common sense goes a long way also.
How did you learn to drive??? Get behind the wheel and get on the freeway doing 65mph and then ask 'how do I stop this thing?' No, I hope you did some research or read the manual and learned the rules of the road.
When you first played Monopoly what did you do??? Read the rules.
Can you see my train of thought?
When I first downloaded the game, having some AW3 experience, I flew offline my first AH flight. I said 'Whoa, this is a different game and I better check out the rules and commands.' I'm not a rocket scientist but common sense told me to seek out the Holy Grail. THE MANUAL!!
I believe you can arrange training times with someone but having a 24/7 trainer in the Training Arena would be a waste of his/her time. I spend time in the TA and there are occasons where someone asks for help but most of my time there I sound like a broken record trying to get people NOT to use 'Check 6' to engage. OK, I vented, I feel better.

frustrated fuzeman

hogenbor · « **Reply #57 on:** August 16, 2002, 01:05:19 AM »

I also have my two cents worth (newbie with 5 days experience):

I already posted that the initial experience is a bit overwhelming and that I sometimes need to ask (to experienced players) obvious things. But I read the manual and flew off-line for a while. No real surprises there, flew a lot in off-line sims before.

In the training area no-one seems te be around when I'm on-line, so I jumped right into the deep end, the main arena. The learning curve is steep, but in 5 days I learned more about modelling, gunnery and tactics, a.k.a the 'feel' of the game then I ever thought possible. Point is, if you have some flight sim experience, use the squidgy grey organic computer and have some patience and peristence, it all seems to work out, at least for me. Sure, I get killed a lot, but the fun factor is fantastic.

If you have five years experience on-line instead of 5 days, sure, you're waaaaaay better than me. But if you make some stupid mistake, like using a P-51 low and slow for field defense against my FM2, you will die.

av8or · « **Reply #58 on:** August 16, 2002, 01:39:02 AM »

hey guys and um ladies i was a newbi at one time and started flying this sim about 3-4 years ago.back then i was a begining pilot in real life, and have had real life experiance in helping and recieving instruction.All you really need to do is try to help one person,all you have to do is make and offer to help and yes a newbi can help and train a newbi and vice versa.If someone wants help they will "listen", i teachpeople to fly now part time and fly cargo and have deal with students with them when they are flying,and most of them do not talk they listen, even if it is typed.Now that HTC has the voice in place that is a great help. most people are receptive to help some don't want it all you can do is offer but just because they don't respond doesn't mean they don't want you to help them they are just trying to implement and use what you are telling them to do.I have seen and met a lot of people that have little to no flight experiance trying to fly this game and i will tell you from experience it is not easy to do aces high or real life..... the only thing i can say is be patient and remain willing to help at anytime..... just my opinion and technique.

Yippee38 · « **Reply #59 on:** August 16, 2002, 11:39:44 AM »

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Originally posted by fuze

I believe you can arrange training times with someone but having a 24/7 trainer in the Training Arena would be a waste of his/her time.

frustrated fuzeman

You may be right, but I doubt it. I've tried that route by sending an e-mail to somebody who was listed as a trainer (I think it was the "head trainer"). I never received a response. A guy in my squad signed up to be available to train and never heard another word.

What I was getting at was that it would be cool if there were people available for ACM training where you could schedule time with them and meet them in the TA. They wouldn't have to hang-out there. You would work out a time when you both would be available.

The other thing I was getting at was that it would be great if there were regularly scheduled training classes where one or two trainers would answer questions and then show you how to do the things discussed.