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Offline Hortlund

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« on: July 19, 2002, 05:26:10 AM »
Subject: Think About This One

In light of the many perversions and jokes that we send along to
One another for a laugh, this one is just a little different:
The joke today is not intended to be funny; it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter, Anne Graham, was interviewed on the Early Show regarding the attacks on September 11, and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God have let something like this happen?"

Anne gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government, and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand that He leave us alone?"

In light of recent events -- terrorists' attacks, school shootings,
etc., I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare complained that she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. (She was murdered and her body was recently found.)

Then someone said that you'd better not read the Bible in school. (The Bible says you shall not kill, you shall not steal, and you should love your neighbor as yourself.) And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said that we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem. (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said that an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Then someone said that teachers and principals had better not discipline our children when they misbehave. The school administrators said that no faculty member in a school should touch a student when they misbehave because they didn't want any bad publicity, and they surely didn't want to be sued. (There's a difference between disciplining, and touching, beating,
smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.). But we said OK.

Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they
want, and they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said OK.

Then some school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want so they can have all the fun they want, and we won't have to tell their parents that they got them at school. And we said OK.

Then some of our top elected officials said that it doesn't matter
what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to us what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as we have a job and the economy is good.

Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said OK. And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the Internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to free speech.

Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said that it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no consciences, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and even themselves.

Probably, if we thought about it long and hard enough, we could figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "We reap what we sow."

It's funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell.

It's funny how we always believe what the newspapers say, but always question what the Bible says, or dismiss it as not being pertinent in this modern, space age world.

It's funny how you can send jokes through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding God, people think twice about sharing, and delete them before anyone sees them.

It's funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and the workplace and that's supposed to be all right with us.


Are you laughing?
It's funny how, when you forward this message, you will probably not send it to very many people on your address list because you're not sure just what they believe, or what they would think of you for sending it. It's funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has any merit. If not, then just discard it. No one will know that you did. But if you discard this thought process, please don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in!

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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2002, 06:33:11 AM »
I think Jerry Fallwell hit the nail on the head when he blamed the 9/11 attacks on the Jews/Homosexuals/Feminists..etc.

"Eat that pork,eat that ham.

 Laugh till you choke on Billy Graham."

>>>Frank Zappa..."The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing"
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2002, 07:27:52 AM »
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Frank Zappa..."The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing"


"The Meek...he said Blessed are the Meek...awww..I'm glad they are getting something..they have a 'ell of a time"

Jewish lady in the crowd at the Sermon on the Mount - Life of Brian.

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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2002, 07:46:26 AM »
You know I come across this stuff all the time and I disagree with it completely. My problem is in expressing exactly why. Lets distill this issue down to the basics. What is God? Whether you want to accept it or not “God” is a word, concept, idea, mental image, etc. Admit it, it’s not really GOD is it? God being a concept is a projection of the human psyche and it changes as the individual and society changes. If God is taken to be “All That Is”, then It certainly can’t be contained in a concept.

All the rape, murder, drugs, obscenity, etc. is due to the fact that we live in a repressive society not an open one. What Christians consider to be our “darker” side has to have expression. We have to learn how to channel this energy and not stifle it. It’s going to come out one way or another regardless.

Contradictions will always expose the flaws in any philosophical/religious system and Christianity has plenty. One example is how Christians speak of love and understanding then turn around and beat their children teaching them that physical violence is acceptable. This kind of upbringing has led to the society we have today. I rest my case.

In the end, if we can’t learn to love everybody than at least we can learn to stay out of their business.

That concludes today’s sermon.
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2002, 08:05:11 AM »
"Be Still & Know God"
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2002, 08:28:51 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2002, 09:23:47 AM »
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Contradictions will always expose the flaws in any philosophical/religious system and Christianity has plenty. One example is how Christians speak of love and understanding then turn around and beat their children teaching them that physical violence is acceptable.


That, sir, is an outrageous lie. I don't often come out so harsh, but you couldn't be more wrong.

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2002, 09:32:41 AM »
Back in the days when we feared and invited (I.E: forced) God into our homes, we didnt have school shootings and terrorist attacks.

But we had the Crusades, inquisition, conquistadors, burning at the stake, the plague, widespread slavery, and many other quirks.

Now that we have gained independence from God, I think we are doing much better, thank you very much. Still not utopia, but I rather be here now than back then with the smiting sword of the believers ever vigilant.

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2002, 09:37:10 AM »
Wow, thanks for placing the blame squarely on the shoulders of all non-rightthinking Americans. I was wondering who to be pissed off at. And all this time I thought it was Al Quaida. I appreciate you clearing that up Stevie!

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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2002, 09:40:36 AM »
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Back in the days when we feared and invited (I.E: forced) God into our homes, we didnt have school shootings and terrorist attacks.

But we had the Crusades, inquisition, conquistadors, burning at the stake, the plague, widespread slavery, and many other quirks.


So in the 1890s you had the Crusades, Inquisition, Conquistadors, burning at the stake, the plague, widespread slavery?

Or in the 1950s?

If you think about it, everything went downhill from the 60s and the "sexual liberation". Damn hippies and their drugs destroyed old values. After that its just getting worse and worse.

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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2002, 09:40:45 AM »
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That, sir, is an outrageous lie. I don't often come out so harsh, but you couldn't be more wrong.


Kieren, he's stero-typing because of the recent article of that Texas church that beat the kid.

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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2002, 09:43:40 AM »
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Originally posted by Animal
Back in the days when we feared and invited (I.E: forced) God into our homes, we didnt have school shootings and terrorist attacks.

But we had the Crusades, inquisition, conquistadors, burning at the stake, the plague, widespread slavery, and many other quirks.

Now that we have gained independence from God, I think we are doing much better, thank you very much. Still not utopia, but I rather be here now than back then with the smiting sword of the believers ever vigilant.


Well said Sir.

I have no probelm with religion...I have a problem with organised religion.

I think, for example, that it is ironic that South Americans are such staunch Roman Catholics....the reason they are is that in the "Good Ole Days" the Spanish held a sword to their throats and said "YOU WILL BE CATHOLIC".
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2002, 09:47:35 AM »
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So in the 1890s you had the Crusades, Inquisition, Conquistadors, burning at the stake, the plague, widespread slavery?

Or in the 1950s?

If you think about it, everything went downhill from the 60s and the "sexual liberation". Damn hippies and their drugs destroyed old values. After that its just getting worse and worse.


First who said 1890's?

So the 50's were better than today? Are you sure Hortlund? You've been watching too many movies bud.

Womens rights - Nonexistent
Racial Equality - Read your history books
McCarthyism - HUAC is not just the sound a gavel makes.

and much much more.  Don't come into the paint with that weak stuff, I'll swat it into the cheap seats!

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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2002, 09:48:06 AM »
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Wow, thanks for placing the blame squarely on the shoulders of all non-rightthinking Americans. I was wondering who to be pissed off at. And all this time I thought it was Al Quaida. I appreciate you clearing that up Stevie!
 


What blame midnight?

The post is not about blame, it is about reflection. If people like you want to remove God from their ordinary lifes for various reasons (some because they want to separate church and state, some because they simply dont believe in God, some because it makes stuff easier for them), you might want to realize that that might have implications on how people behave.

Simply put, if you want to remove Christian values from your life, from school, from the government you might instead get non-Christian values.

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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2002, 09:49:24 AM »
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Well said Sir.

I have no probelm with religion...I have a problem with organised religion.

I think, for example, that it is ironic that South Americans are such staunch Roman Catholics....the reason they are is that in the "Good Ole Days" the Spanish held a sword to their throats and said "YOU WILL BE CATHOLIC".


I don't have a problem with religion, or even organized religion (I think of Lake Tapps Cristian church where both my sons attended pre-school) , but I DO have a problem with "Corporate Organized Religion" which gives all religions a bad name, be it Jerry Farewell, the "69" club or any of the other rip off artists.