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Offline Cobra

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« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2002, 04:26:13 PM »
Yes Capt. Apathy,
You can blame the world's consumers for this, I agree.

The fact that Wal-Mart is as big as it is speaks volumes of the will of all of us to pay a little more for these type of assurances.

But to entirely lay it at the feet of the "fat-cat" corporations is being dishonest.  They chase the money, and if we make it profitable (i.e. more sales, market share, etc.) for them to become environmentally conscience, then they will.

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« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2002, 04:47:17 PM »
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"It gets 20 degrees cooler? Texas and Florida may be not the most convenient places to live climate-wise"

I'll take 20 cooler now

and maybe 20 cooler will reduce the flow of invading senile ppl from the great north Oct through Apr

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 No doubt man!  20 deg cooler would make this place even more of a paradise!! :D

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« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2002, 04:57:58 PM »
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 No doubt man!  20 deg cooler would make this place even more of a paradise!! :D


And would probably kill all the fish.

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« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2002, 06:21:13 PM »
Cobra, I agree, and don't blame corporations at all.  They are in the business of making money and if it's more profitable to make products in other countries (or contract for products to be made for them in by people from these countries) where they can dump their waste into the sky and water freely, it would be stupid to think they would consider doing anything else.

I just think we should pass legislation taxing goods from these countries and making it more profitable to be more responsible environmentally, and as a nice sideline I would imagine this could save some domestic jobs.

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« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2002, 06:28:07 PM »
Anyone remember that environmental treaty that would have restricted modern indusatrialized countries but have left less developed parts of the world like, lets hmm say India and China and so forth, free to pollute at high levels. What a great idea!!! :D

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« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2002, 06:32:34 PM »
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I just think we should pass legislation taxing goods from these countries and



Ahhhh, Sounds like another job for the American tax payer. Why would it be out of line for these same countries to adopt their own tough pollution laws?

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« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2002, 06:43:03 PM »
I'm just glad that the pollution will stay in asian airspace, whew!:eek:

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« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2002, 07:24:27 PM »
Capt. Apathy,
With China's acceptance into the WTO, it will get worse not better (for the record, I think they should be allowed in, but made to play by all the rules).

Here's why:  Right now, the US imposes tariffs, sometimes hefty tariffs, on certain classes of goods imported in from the PRC.  Those tariffs currently help other countries like Thailand, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, India, Phillipines, etc. compete with China from a cost perspective.  Now once China enters the WTO, the fear is, with those tariffs gone, the other countries cannot compete.  That will tempt them to lower already low standards (including environmental and wage standards) just to keep some share of that business.  It's well-known, and a given, that none of these countries can compete with China, period.

As you can see, we already had China paying high tariffs comparitively to these other countries, and still they could beat us and those countries at this.

As for the domestic jobs, consider this.  In the early, mid, and latter part of the 1900's, the shoe and textile industry boomed in New England.  But then all those jobs moved to the south, not south as in Mexico (as of then) but the southern US states.  

Why? A few of the reasons (but by no means the full, comprehensive list) were stricter environmental laws coming into play up north, but more importantly, the workforce to do these jobs was drying up.  Folks improved their standard of living for themselves and their children, and it was those very children that chose NOT to work at the jobs their parents did.  Even higher wages sometimes wasn't enough.  The job itself wasn't intincing enough.  So the factories and the jobs moved south.

The consumer was unwilling to pay higher prices for products, when cheaper alternatives were available.  So to stay alive, the companies moved.

Like I said, many other issues came into play such as state-sponsored Corporate welfare which played a huge role.  Hell in Mass. in the late '90's the state government gave Raytheon huge tax incentives to stay put, when Raytheon threatened to move it's Andover plant to Texas.  Raytheon had to promise to keep the same number of jobs on the payroll......they didn't, but by then Mass had already given the tax breaks.

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« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2002, 07:47:08 PM »
F-15 or CF-18 pilot: "Brown cloud approaching North American airspace, this is the fighter to your left.  What are your intentions?"

Brown cloud:  "..."

F-15 or CF-18 pilot: *Hold up a card board placard that says "121.5"*

Brown cloud:  "..."

F-15 or CF-18 pilot: "Uhh...the could isn't responding...do we have permission to fire?"

Brown cloud:  "...!"

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« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2002, 08:05:49 PM »
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F-15 or CF-18 pilot: "Brown cloud approaching North American airspace, this is the fighter to your left.  What are your intentions?"

Brown cloud:  "..."

F-15 or CF-18 pilot: *Hold up a card board placard that says "121.5"*

Brown cloud:  "..."

F-15 or CF-18 pilot: "Uhh...the could isn't responding...do we have permission to fire?"

Brown cloud:  "...!"


I'm sorry Yawn, were you saying that it's the US's fault, or the US is in danger, or both?

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« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2002, 08:18:34 PM »
Where have I said it was the US's fault?

I do think, it could become a Canadian and US problem.

Yawn?  HA HA hey look!  Sikboy took the "Th" out of Thrwan and replaced it with a "Y".  Making the word yawn!   Way to go toejamboy!

LOL!!:D
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« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2002, 08:42:49 PM »
I say we blame it on the canadians eh

Offline Thrawn

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« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2002, 08:48:49 PM »
Drop the nukes or we light the rest of it on fire!


Edit: I mean put down the nukes, put down the nukes!!:eek:
« Last Edit: August 12, 2002, 08:57:46 PM by Thrawn »

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« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2002, 10:28:30 PM »
WTO will be no help. it only seems to protect the rights of big business to exploit there people and rescorces without interferance

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« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2002, 10:40:07 PM »
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