Author Topic: Greenhouse effect? (Read 947 times)

Hortlund · « **on:** August 12, 2002, 06:43:11 AM »

Actually this is much worse.

So, can you ignorant americans understand this one? Or are you going to deny its existence too?

Thrawn...any reference on the urban legends page?

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Masherbrum · « **Reply #1 on:** August 12, 2002, 06:47:11 AM »

Read it before posted here and this is NO surprise to me.

We have yet to pay consequences.

Masher

Hortlund · « **Reply #2 on:** August 12, 2002, 06:55:02 AM »

It is kinda screwed that we all should have to pay for all the moronic 3rd world countries and their complete disregard for the environment though.

India, China, Indonesia...

Masherbrum · « **Reply #3 on:** August 12, 2002, 07:06:07 AM »

Agree bro! 100% Here's a beer for ya!

Masher

-dead- · « **Reply #4 on:** August 12, 2002, 08:11:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
It is kinda screwed that we all should have to pay for all the moronic 3rd world countries and their complete disregard for the environment though.

India, China, Indonesia...

And of course Europe & America never cut down and burnt any of their forests or had smog, pollution or a complete disregard for the environment.

Seems to me the problem isn't Asia or Europe or Africa or America but humans. Lots of humans=lots of pollution.

Hortlund · « **Reply #5 on:** August 12, 2002, 08:14:25 AM »

Not really since Europe and (amazingly) the US has some really strict environment laws in place now, asia doesnt.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #6 on:** August 12, 2002, 08:21:30 AM »

Lots of humans = Asia

Kind of Ironic that -dead- from Hong Kong posted that. Prepping for the future?

Masher

PS - The US didn't sign that treaty because THEY would bear the brunt of replacing all the equipment, while the rest of the world sat on their bellybutton and slowly made the changes.

-dead- · « **Reply #7 on:** August 12, 2002, 08:36:09 AM »

Gee... I wonder why they have those strict laws in place, Hortlund?
Could it be because they totally screwed up the environment before they had them in place?
You know, the kind of problems only "moronic 3rd World countries with a complete disregard for the environment" would have: like acid rain, smog, nuclear fallout, oil spills etc. etc.
But I suppose you'll argue that unlike these current ones, those problems never spread over the world, so we didn't "all have to pay for them". Sure, there's no data to support that theory because no one in the West cared about pollution at all then.

Asia for the most part is too damn poor to care about pollution yet, which is eerily like the West used to be.
And unfortunately, unlike the West, the 3rd World doesn't have a 3rd World to move all the really nasty polluting industries to.

Daff · « **Reply #8 on:** August 12, 2002, 08:39:12 AM »

Hortlund, the US produces something like 25% of all the air pollution in the world.

Daff

Hortlund · « **Reply #9 on:** August 12, 2002, 08:49:07 AM »

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Originally posted by -dead-
Gee... I wonder why they have those strict laws in place, Hortlund?
Could it be because they totally screwed up the environment before they had them in place?
You know, the kind of problems only "moronic 3rd World countries with a complete disregard for the environment" would have: like acid rain, smog, nuclear fallout, oil spills etc. etc.
But I suppose you'll argue that unlike these current ones, those problems never spread over the world, so we didn't "all have to pay for them". Sure, there's no data to support that theory because no one in the West cared about pollution at all then.
Asia for the most part is too damn poor to care about pollution yet, which is eerily like the West used to be.
And unfortunately, unlike the West, the 3rd World doesn't have a 3rd World to move all the really nasty polluting industries to.

Actually, what Im saying is more along the lines of "We should force the backwards 3rd world countries to stop polluting the way they are doing now". If asia or the rest of the third world doesnt see fit to cease spreading filth, we should make them stop.

Sure we had problems with pollutions before, but now we have very strict environmental laws in place.

All first world countries are having problems with acid rain, oil spills, etc too. Pollutions is a global problem, that is why we cant have moronic short sighted regimes buring down rainforest in Indonesia to clear land for agriculture (just one example).

Eagler · « **Reply #10 on:** August 12, 2002, 08:53:17 AM »

sorry - had beans last night

Masherbrum · « **Reply #11 on:** August 12, 2002, 08:55:04 AM »

damn it Eagler, I smell that toejam up here

Masher

Octavius · « **Reply #12 on:** August 12, 2002, 09:11:43 AM »

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A large part of the aerosol cloud comes from inefficient cookers, where fuels such as cowdung and kerosene are used to cook food in many parts of Asia, says Mitra.

They use toejam to cook food?! I wonder if that enhances the taste...

miko2d · « **Reply #13 on:** August 12, 2002, 09:43:23 AM »

The problem seems to be aerosol from forest fires, vegetation clearing and fossil fuel. Could the recent enourmous fires in Indonesia have something to do with it?
US is being re-forested now - actually finishing the process, not de-forrested. And aerosols were never among the pollutants we were accused of producing. Where do they come from?
A large part of the aerosol cloud comes from inefficient cookers, where fuels such as cowdung and kerosene are used to cook food in many parts of Asia - oh, right. We, americans do our cooking on clean natural gas, electicity, propane or at least efficiently burning charcoal on weekends - no aerosols here. And there are 300 mil of us and dropping (but for constant immigrant's inflow) - not 2 billion and growing.

So this particular problem can be hardly blamed on americans.

miko

-dead- · « **Reply #14 on:** August 12, 2002, 09:47:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Pollutions is a global problem, that is why we cant have moronic short sighted regimes buring down rainforest in Indonesia to clear land for agriculture (just one example).

Well the fires in Indonesia aren't actually government enforced - rather the opposite. They're started by farmers to clear land and then they get out of control and burn the odd million hectares. Obvious Solution: stop the farmers, but if you stop the farmers doing it, the farmers get poor/starve. So for some moronic short-sighted reason, the farmers keep on burning trees.
http://www.haze-online.or.id
The US & Canada are no strangers to forest fires burning out of control, and their farmers don't generally persue a slash and burn agriculture anymore. However all these fires kick out smoke, with no regard to whether they are "accidental" or "on purpose".
Here's a link for comparison:http://www.osei.noaa.gov/Events/Fires/
And with the US giving such a bad example over the Kyoto treaty (ie saying "Sorry it's too expensive to save the planet" - another moronic short-sighted regime perhaps?!?) why should we expect a poor country like Indonesia to clear up their mess if even the richest nations think it's too expensive to.