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« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2002, 11:41:02 PM »
seems to me a simple solution would be-

you hit a key  (or button on your stick), to toggle on/off a small meter that shows you how much presure is on your stick and in what direction, then you trim your plane.

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« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2002, 12:31:37 AM »
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..."There were exceptions though, for example P38 was famous for its quirky fuel tank switch and overall controls...


Some how I missed this in the blizzard of posting with Easy. :)

Well Mr. Sid, that's why I said  "Some aircraft did this better than others of course."  in the very post you quoted. In fact, right after that paragraph, I think.

You are absolutely right.. the P-38 was not an "ergonomic" setup when one needed to quickly configure for a fight.

Nice seeing you though, Ripley. Hoped you enjoyed the vacation. Greece was it?

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« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2002, 12:34:02 AM »
Hooo boy, me too I guess. Whatever argument the AH Spirit team flavor of the week is, can be argued, no matter how absurd the examples made are.

Toad, fer Gads sake, wanting more than hitting “E” and roaring off for a full hour in 100% throttle in AH does not make a “realism freak”. It’s as an absurd notion as your constant pounding about commercial airline flight examples as a viable comparison to WWII aircraft.

I am to believe that you’re a self-appointed spokesman in WWII sim reality, to the point everyone should believe that engine starts here are mute , because you are bored to tears until you are rolling out and hit autopilot in real life? Has that anything to do with wanting some SIMPLE simulation features modeled in a WWII combat game? Maybe even turning on fuel and holding a hoopty key down for a few seconds to think your engaging a starter?

No.

Where do you find that comparison and confidence to post as if it’s damn near fact, not opinion? You seem to in earnest. I pry got more time in sims, and definitely AH, but I don’t post like I know all the facts. I make suggestions. People aren’t buying IL-2 because of the online servers. I enjoy it and only suggest and hope AH closes the gap on it’s few differencing features, only to make a ultimate massive online game.

Does anyone want a virtual ground crew guy to run out to the plane, hook up ground power, and clear his prop, while he goes through a checklist? I doubt it. Maybe this minority you group into the FLTSIM2002 crowd who would ejaculate to the point you have to run away, but I don’t see them. Certainly not Easymo.

But because that is the P51 checklist, we should all say HTC game play is panacea? The ultimate balance for fun vs. realism is achieved?  That’s a stretch, and I find it pretty absurd to make a point on.

As soon as suggestions and wants from the player base stop, then you can blame HTC for only having a few employee’s in which to develop idea’s for AH.
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« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2002, 12:46:15 AM »
Hey, I hope y'all get what you want.

I've found what I want. :D

You want to press hoopty keys and jiggle the throttle to make like a wobble pump? Hoop and wobble away.

The beauty of it all is that if there's so many folks that want total realism..no, make that a lot of... well, maybe quite a bit of the... ah... OK.. some more realism..... then either this game or the others or new ones will eventually evolve/emerge to handle this huge yearning mass.

You can be where you want to be.

I can be where I want to be. It won't necessarily be the same place but that's the beauty of it, eh?

...and you may remember this whole thing started out about trim... and the reality/unreality thereof. You can't change one thing about trim.. that is just about every WW2 aircraft would fly just as well and maneuver just as well if you faired the trim tab and removed the ability to move it. What did you want to change about that?

Cya up in my Airliner....  :D
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« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2002, 12:52:20 AM »
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to post as if it’s damn near fact, not opinion?  


Oh, yeah.. where did I say my views on gameplay were not opinon?

Time in PC flight sims? Maybe; I don't know. Played just about everyone from about 1989 on, boxed and online both. I didn't keep a logbook for PC time..... even though I had to review MS Flight Sim versions several times. You one of the guys htat kept a log?

Wanna match up actual flight time too? :D
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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2002, 12:54:22 AM »
I never know when I tweak someone...

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« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2002, 01:08:17 AM »
Review the thread..... don't worry, it was barbless.

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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2002, 01:32:50 AM »
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Actually, I wouldn't have a problem with that as long as I knew it going in. Play time for me is in short supply, so yeah, getting into the fight faster is better.
 


I know you can beat me up, but that's just wrong!

See yourself after class, D-  :(    lol

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« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2002, 02:30:50 AM »
A real life P47 pilot posts on an old AW NG I frequent. A primarily FR (full realism) group. As you might expect; there was always quite a viscious schism between us "really real" macho guys and the kiddies in the easy mode camp. One day some one thought to ask the P47 jock which he flew. The answer that easy mode was much closer to his experiences than the "insta-kill" stall model of FR bought a complete silence to the room......


And as for trim (yep; we've plagued him with this sort of question for years); he says the only times he ever conciously trimmed was for two occasions: a steady climb out; and he'd "pre-trim" for his estimated pull out speed when dive bombing (mainly rudder trim); otherwise the ball wouldn't be centred for release and he'd miss. He should know; he got a silver star doing it.

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« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2002, 03:05:38 AM »
Toad has more" LOOKIE LOOKIE IM saying something important text.

You must be misinformed.

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« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2002, 07:16:37 AM »
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I know you can beat me up, but that's just wrong!


Not likely- I'd be curled up in the fetal position screaming like a girl while you kicked me! :D

What I mean is, if I decided to play a game that had air starts, and I knew it going in, then I would have no problem. I am not suggesting that AH ever get air starts.

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« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2002, 08:46:37 AM »
I know he's pretty small, but I'm a "catch and release" angler anyway.

I feet that delicate cross-thread presentation....

Look! There's a Rise!

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Creamo And I think it would be a nice option to micro manage realistic WWII aircraft systems


....of the P-51D Checklist ....

that resulted in such an aggressive strike but such a short actual playing of the fish still earns me the opportunity to have my picture taken holding up this minnow. Something like this......



What do you guys think?

I think Elf should be the judge. Should have never gone back to the same hole without changing flies though......
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« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2002, 06:49:21 PM »
gawddammit, i hate it when these arguments are resolved without bloodshed. keeerist, have we become that damn civilized??

hopefully, elfie can pull it out, and everybody will get back to 'the dozens'

*sigh*

Hey Toad.. it that a BT-13 'Vibrator'?? Yours?? You lucky dawg you!
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« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2002, 09:02:59 PM »
Actually, it's the best of all possible worlds. The BT belongs to my brother, currently flying for an airline back east.

He keeps it out here because Hangar fees back there are literally 4X what they are here. So I get to keep the engine all oiled up and the controls loose for him by flying it.  :D

He and an IA rebuilt it........ it's fargin' PERFECT.  Ask Ripsnort.. he saw it.

Only thing is...  the start sequence in it is WAAYYYYYYYYY overmodeled. :D
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« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2002, 10:15:16 PM »
Henh. well, hell; I may just have to build one.

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