Author Topic: Turn performance (Read 1086 times)

Don · « **Reply #15 on:** August 22, 2002, 11:33:55 AM »

Tiffie does not turn well. It must be kept fast and must rely on roll and verticle turns eg. yo-yo's in order to change direction quickly. The decent Tiffie users I have seen in the MA will use it this way to bring their 4 cannon to bear in an HO situation. If you see a Tiffie pilit make these moves as you chase him, better climb up and away and use the same verticle turns to regain the advantage; if not you will be back in yer HQ pissing about being HO'd.

Vipermann · « **Reply #16 on:** August 22, 2002, 01:02:41 PM »

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Tiffie does not turn well. It must be kept fast and must rely on roll and verticle turns

roll....what roll on a typhie? It rolls about as well as the locomotives and CV's in AH

Don · « **Reply #17 on:** August 23, 2002, 12:08:52 PM »

>>roll....what roll on a typhie? It rolls about as well as the locomotives and CV's in AH<<

Every plane can roll, its just that a Tiffie can't roll as well as most maybe

But in a vertical turn it don't have to roll that fast to change direction. The point is, when it does, the opposing fella better not be heading directly for it.

Vipermann · « **Reply #18 on:** August 23, 2002, 12:18:56 PM »

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Every plane can roll, its just that a Tiffie can't roll as well as most maybe

Sorry the previous was my attempt at humor. Of course all planes can roll, I've just never heard someone that thinks the roll rate on a tiffie is one of its strengths

Urchin · « **Reply #19 on:** August 23, 2002, 01:02:27 PM »

I'm pretty sure the Tiffie can't out-turn any of the 109s. It probably turns somewhere around a 190A5 (which is to say it is a surprisingly manueverable brick, but a brick nonetheless).

I'd rank the planes like this as far as turning (and I'll probably forget some, so forgive me).

FM-2
F4F-4
109-E4/F6F-5 (with flaps)
P-38 (with flaps)
109-F4
109-G2
P-40B(haven't had much experience with the P-40s though)

From here it really gets subjective... suffice to say that I think any of the planes in the above list will out-turn any of the plane in the bottom list.

P-40E (maybe? No experience with it really)
109-G6
109-G10
P-51 (B and D, I've not noticed much difference)
110-C4
190-A5
P-47D-11
110-G2
P-47D-25/P-47D-30
190-D9/190-A8/190-F8

Did I forget any? Thats quite a number of planes now...
Keep in mind that this is coming from a LW perspective, I've flown every plane on this list, just not extensively.

Don · « **Reply #20 on:** August 23, 2002, 04:45:19 PM »

Urchin:
Noticeably absent from your list are any of the Japanese planes. I also realize you are restricting your list to the European planeset.
The FM2 however, was used principally against the Japanese Zero and was outclassed in spite of its low speed turning abilities.
I am sure tho that you have read the accounts of how the Navy and Marine flyers used the FM2 versus the zero ie. E tactics rather than TnB.

Urchin · « **Reply #21 on:** August 23, 2002, 05:41:55 PM »

Yes, I'm aware that in the Pacific the USAAF and USN fighters were not turning with the Japanese. The original poster only asked for US vs German planes though, thats why I left everything else out.

Wilbus · « **Reply #22 on:** August 23, 2002, 06:19:57 PM »

Feeling good are we ammo? can't differ a whine from a question?

The tiffie turns surprisingly well, as Urchin said, it turns about the same as a 190 A5 (tiffie turns a little bit better). Mostly dependant on fuel and ammo load when the 2 meet, then again, 190 A5 can make 10 full rolls in the time the tiffie takes to change from going right to left

(ok, not quite...).

whgates3 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 23, 2002, 08:42:14 PM »

anyone know if the P-38s turn ability can be increased using differential throttle (i.e cut the gas on the inboard engine a bit)...haven't done the experiment yet myself...

Wilbus · « **Reply #24 on:** August 24, 2002, 04:43:48 AM »

Doubt it, all that should add IMO is roll rate to one side.

Angus · « **Reply #25 on:** August 24, 2002, 06:19:58 AM »

Urchin, didn't you forget the F6F?
Also, I'd put the 110C further up on the list, I've seen that thing turned so well that I had troubles shooting it in my Spitfire! If I remember right, I needed some 6 - 8 circles to catch it in my Spit1!

Wilbus · « **Reply #26 on:** August 24, 2002, 06:21:00 AM »

110 has got a very nice turn performance and a relitivly low wing loading, the G turns quite well too but they both suck in the vertical.

DarkglamJG52 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 24, 2002, 07:40:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Feeling good are we ammo? can't differ a whine from a question?

The tiffie turns surprisingly well, as Urchin said, it turns about the same as a 190 A5 (tiffie turns a little bit better).

...and also has a surprising acceleration. A quite competent fighter in AH, on the contrary that in the ww 2, where it was only good as jabo.

Wilbus · « **Reply #28 on:** August 24, 2002, 12:43:24 PM »

CC that Dark, very good acceleration and OK climb rate, very high deck speed makes it one of the most potent air to air fighters in the game IMO.

Kevin14 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 24, 2002, 08:39:51 PM »

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Originally posted by minus
off topic a litle jsut please tell me why the typhon turn so well ? is it realy heavy figter and roll and turn litle to wll not tu much but anyway ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

in AH mean in real life the thing prefered to not turn at all specialy when below 240 mph !

I'm sorry, what was that?