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Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #45 on: August 28, 2002, 03:22:19 PM »
Themanx, the tiffie turns very well, FAR from 90% of the planes will outturn it. I've brought it into low and slow dogfights and furrballs (and kept it slow) and yet been able to get out alive with 5+ kills several times (haven't flown it much at all though). It rolls bad but that's the only thing it does bad.

Turn rate depends on Wing loading. The lower the wing loading is the better a plane can make sustained turns.
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« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2002, 03:44:00 PM »
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If anyone has found a large set of these diagrams PLEASE let me know. I'll do anything for them. ANYTHING!


Anything?  That's the best offer I've had for a long time :)

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« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2002, 12:06:17 PM »
Here's my rankings:

FM2
F4F-4
109E4/F6F-5(flaps)
P38
109F4
P40
109G10, G2, G6
110s
190A5
F4U/190 - about the same here...except A5
P51B
P51D
P47D11
P47D25
P47D30

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« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2002, 11:42:43 PM »
Another thing the typh has going for it in AH with it's "thick" wing is that it can  make 600mph dives without shaking and recovery is as easy as pulling the stick and off you go. While a 190 hits 550TAS and it shakes neutralizing the roll and elevators.

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« Reply #49 on: September 03, 2002, 07:19:16 AM »
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The Tiffy was a fine fighter. What let it down was that it was a poor high alt fighter.

Which about matches up with AH.


The tiffie was crap! It could barely roll and itīs flying characteristics were probabably very poor. When Lerche, the german test pilot, flew the Tempest he was impressed how they were able to improve it so much over the Typhoon. So the tiffie canīt have been a good design.

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« Reply #50 on: September 03, 2002, 10:14:57 AM »
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Another thing the typh has going for it in AH with it's "thick" wing is that it can  make 600mph dives without shaking and recovery is as easy as pulling the stick and off you go. While a 190 hits 550TAS and it shakes neutralizing the roll and elevators.


I've read that the typh had compressibility issues. These don't seem to be represented well in AH.  That is why it was not used as an interceptor (which it was designed for) and was instead used for ground attack, and low/med alt fighter vs 190s.  I'm guessing it was used vs 190s before the spit 9 was produced in numbers.

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« Reply #51 on: September 03, 2002, 10:22:10 AM »
Exactly Glassboy :)

Test reports I have of the 190 A3, being flown by RAF test pilots, report that, when hitting 550mph at 16k (don't have the source infront of me, believe it was 16k) the controls, although slightly heavier then before, were still very, and surprisingly light, pilots had no problem controlling that bird in 550mph.
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« Reply #52 on: September 04, 2002, 09:29:42 AM »
Wilbus, this excerpt ist from Alfred Price "FW190 in Combat" page 46, in which he quotes britisch tests from the FAE.

And the speed attained in the dive was 580 mph TAS (934 km/h) at 16k not 550 mph TAS.

LOL maybe HTC has confused the tiffies dive characteristics with those of the FW190, as the tiffie manages in AH what the real FW190 was capable of in WW2 and the AH FW190 is limited in the way the WW2 tiffie was.

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« Reply #53 on: September 04, 2002, 10:19:16 AM »
@atmkRstr

from  http://216.219.216.110/hawker/typhoon.html

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trouble was experienced in power dives--a structural failure in the tail assembly sometimes resulted in this component parting company with the rest of the airframe


it's not the AH typhoon wich is a 1944 tyffie ....

@ the others :

You're just jealous :)

Why instead of proving the 190 as a problem do you attack my lovely brit marvel ?

or is it a way to do a personal attack ? :)