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Offline whgates3

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« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2002, 09:25:20 PM »
the Typhoon wasn't used much as a fight in WWII, that does not mean it wasn't a good fighter, just that it wasn't used as such.  it may mean that it was needed more as a Jabo, or that it was out classed by the Spit, or that it didn't have the range to carry out the most common fighter task of the Tiffy's time: bomber escort
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« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2002, 09:32:18 PM »
AFAIK the tiffie had good success against the 190 when it was used for hit and run raids against the UK.
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« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2002, 11:20:14 PM »
Oh that was definately a whine. There is no doubt about it. It doidnt add anything good to the topic and was released with much emotion, signified by the eccessive punctuation. Plus the whiner is  well skilled in this art, and he uses a super secret code to add ambiance to his whines.
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« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2002, 12:45:00 AM »
Ammo, you are such a tard :p.  But yes, it seemed like a 'whine' to me to if we have to classify it.
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Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2002, 02:29:58 AM »
Whgates, it was actually classified as a bad fighter. It was built as a fighter but didn't reach up to the requirements and was thus used in the attack role instead. It was 'quite' successfull against the 190's doing Hit and Run raids just because it was the ONLY allied plane at the time that could catch a 190 and only at low alt bellow 10k or so could it compete with a 190.
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Offline Kweassa

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« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2002, 05:27:23 AM »
The Typhoon out-turns the 109G-2.

 First hand experience, with dismay, as with the 7~8th circle the Typhoon finally out-turned my 109G-2 and got enough gun solution to render the tail feathers with 20mm holes.
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« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2002, 05:53:12 AM »
Cc Kweassa, had the Tiffie been in R/L what it is in AH it would have been a great fighter plane.
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« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2002, 12:02:27 PM »
ammo , wel if that was whine them i like to teach you some Slovak and then ask again what i asked , but before i realy like to broke up you nose who whine about anithing !!!!!
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Offline Seeker

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« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2002, 12:20:40 PM »
The Tiffy was a fine fighter. What let it down was that it was a poor high alt fighter.

Which about matches up with AH.
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« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2002, 01:37:42 PM »
the tifie wing profile wa snot the best  it vas great plane becose it was fast, but in AH it loks like spit on steroides
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Offline TheManx

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« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2002, 08:13:19 PM »
Takes a lot of work and thinking to turn a Typhoon against any plane in this game at slower speeds. I fly a lot of different planes in this game, and I'm quite certain that 90% of them should be able to outturn it. At high speeds, it's a bit different...the Typhoon becomes fairly agile compared to planes like the G10 and P38 who tend to be more difficult to control fast. That said, there are still about 70% of the fighters in the game that can outturn it at its full speed.
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« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2002, 10:32:32 PM »
coming soon to a website near you!

A 'minus translator'!


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« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2002, 11:13:15 AM »
shut up bendover !  on rest i change mind  

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Offline AtmkRstr

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« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2002, 10:35:30 AM »
Turn rate depends entirely on speed and the G's being pulled.

What you need to compare them are each plane's EM diagrams, which is a plot of speed vs. turn rate with multiple plotted lines comparing G load and turn radius.

Here's some explanations on EM diagrams at SimHQ:

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/features/flaps/index5.shtml

I beleive SimHQ has EM diagrams for the P-51D, Spit IX, 109-F4, F-4U, and F-6F but I can't find them at this time. Nevermind, I found em:
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/air_combat/energymgmt/index-pf.html

If anyone has found a large set of these diagrams PLEASE let me know. I'll do anything for them. ANYTHING!
« Last Edit: August 27, 2002, 10:56:48 AM by AtmkRstr »
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Offline AtmkRstr

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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2002, 10:51:06 AM »
Adding rudder to the Typh's roll will increase its roll rate tremendously. Unfortunatly is increases drag quite a bit, but atleast it helps prevent unexpected landings.
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