Author Topic: Pit Bulls (Read 3564 times)

gatso · « **Reply #45 on:** August 22, 2002, 05:35:31 PM »

Animal, I too have been attacked by a German Sheppard... OK that sounds bad. It was at an RAF base and the Military police dressed up one 'idiot' (me) in the protective suits that make you look like a michelin man and gave me a toy gun to wave about, The dog actually just punctured the skin on my wrist through about 2 inches of padding. I know how strong they can be.

BTW I don't understand how you can pull Pit Bulls out of the rest of that list you put up as needing 'no training, just love and attention'. Pit Bulls, Staffies and a few other breeds were specifically bred as fighting breeds. I can't believe that one breed is significantly more docile than the other. Most of the dogs that perform these attacks are familiy pets that up till the point they attack someone have shown no previos inclination to do so.

If you get someone good enough you can train anything, you've all seen tame bears/lions/tigers/whatever that do film work. What you probably don't see is the guy with the rifle there to shoot the thing if it goes nuts.

The point is you can't sit a dog down and talk things over with a beer. It decides to go mental, it will and there's nothing you can do to stop it. The case I brought up in my previous post there were 5 people trying to pull the dog off the girl. They couldn't. Fine keep em but if I had kids I wouldn't want to see one in public without a muzzle, In fact if I was making the laws I'd make all large dogs wear muzzles, and that includes it wandering round in the owners back garden. Neuter all the males sold as pets too, there's lots of attitude benefits and no reason not too.

Gatso

Animal · « **Reply #46 on:** August 22, 2002, 05:50:30 PM »

You are correct.

However, from personal experience (owned two bulls, both with no training) I have yet to see a Pit Bull go berserk for no apparent reason. In fact, I have yet to see a Pit Bull go berserk. I have dealt with about a dozen Pit Bulls and all of them were docile as cows and playful puppies.

It is a fighting breed in that it is physically very strong and bred specifically for fighting dogs. But the American Pitbull is not a naturally viscious dog. Just like the boxer. I dont know how many times I will repeat this, but the American Pit Bull is not a naturally aggressive dog, and even provoked, it will hardly attack, unless it was RAISED and TRAINED to react that way. Generally. There are exceptions obviously, like any other breed.

The American Stafordshire Terrier however, just like the German Shepperd, is a more naturally aggressive breed, and requires a good trainer, or it can be dangerous.

Maybe what you are seeing on that streets is the AST.
Here is how you can identify them:

AST: usually a serious wary attitude, bulkier build, with a slimmer snout than the Pit Bull.

Pitbull: playful attitude, slimmer more athletic build, with a broader snout. Small "asian like" eyes.

Generally in attitude the AST resembles more a German Shepperd thats why I compared them. The American Pit Bull is more like a Boxer.

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oh and by the way, both my pit bulls died at the age of 7, poisoned by someone. the reason they did it was probably fear and ignorance.

Kanth · « **Reply #47 on:** August 22, 2002, 06:23:06 PM »

I just wanted to relate an interesting experience I had with a rott one time. (just because I'm still amazed after all of these years/ this was while I was in highschool)

I was working at a Vet and there was a Rott in one of the kennels, his name was Truck and he was REALLY large.

two cages down were "homer" and "sally" two completely obnoxious goldens.

I had to take truck out of his cage for the vet and upon walking past homer and sally's cage they started barking like crazy.

His response was to turn and snap at them.

the only problem was my arm was in the way.

That dog opens his mouth and turns to snap...sees my arm shuts his mouth in time but the momentum of his headmoving fwd he couldn't stop..

his muzzle punched my forarm with so much force that blood came thru my the pores of my skin but not a toothmark on me.
(btw I had no previous experience with him, he didn't know me at all)

but he immediately looked apologetic and was super easy to get out to the vet with no fuss..

he just had made a big mistake.

Now if a tiny dog had done that, I would never have remembered it.

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
BTW... no Rotweiler breeders here? I've heard there's an agression classification assigned to them based on parents classification. Something about a scale of 1-4. Something about the parents not being able to add up to more than 4. Agression can be bred into a dog. But it can also be bred out of one.

AKDejaVu

Animal · « **Reply #48 on:** August 22, 2002, 06:31:00 PM »

Some dogs can be very agressive towards other dogs but lovely to animals. The Bull Terrier is a good example. And so is the Rott.

That situation seems about correct. A rott and a goldie would hardly get together.

Cobra · « **Reply #49 on:** August 22, 2002, 06:47:07 PM »

Only time I've been seriously bit by a dog was by my Uncle's German Shepherd when I was 5 yrs old.

Owned dogs all my life, from Brittany's for hunting (gun reference for MT

) to a lab, to a Keeshound (great dogs btw) to Australian Blue Heelers for herding cattle (another great dog, IMO).

All of my cousins were around the same age, so the dog was very accustomed to being around small children.

He turned on me without warning, and as best as I can remember, I don't think I provoked him. Damn thing went right for my head...I still have a scar from one of his teeth in my forehead, and he chewed off the tip of one of my ears.....that hurt!

Anyway, my Uncle (took place on his farm) see's this and makes an instant decision.....heard a "bang" (another gun reference for MT) and my dog problem was solved.

Think what you want of it, but I have never feared another dog since that day.

Years later, I was driving down the street going to work and see a bunch of kids scatter across the street...I look over and see a German Shepherd has this little girl basically pinned against this tree.

I slam the brakes, jump out of the car, just beat the dog's owner to the dog, and friggin nail that dog with a swift kick....dog yelps..owner graps him and doesn't say a word. He knew I just saved him a huge lawsuit by getting to the dog before the dog got to that little girl.

And just so Elfie knows, I wouldn't even think of abusing animals. Eating them is another matter entirely

Cobra

midnight Target · « **Reply #50 on:** August 22, 2002, 06:47:25 PM »

"The AKC eschewed breeds called "pit bulls" until 1936, when it recognized the American Pit Bull Terrier under the alias Staffordshire Terrier, named after the miners of Staffordshire, England, who had a hand in developing the breed for the fighting pit. "

Now I'm getting confused here.

My understanding was that the American Bull terrier was the one that looked like the buster brown dog / Petie / the dog in the remake of Incredible journey.

While the Pit bull / Staffordshire looked like this?

midnight Target · « **Reply #51 on:** August 22, 2002, 06:48:29 PM »

Nevermind, I think the Buster brown / Petie Dog is an American Bulldog like this one:

Animal · « **Reply #52 on:** August 22, 2002, 06:57:23 PM »

There is big confusion between the AST, Pit Bull, and Bull Terrier.

Pictures pulled from dogbreedinfo.com:

American Pit Bull :

They look fearsome dont they.

American Staffordshire Terrier

The brown one is a puppy, they get much stronger than that.

Bull Terrier
(my favorite dog breed):

The media will usually call any of these different breeds Pit Bull.
They are different breeds and dont have much in comomn.

The Bull Terrier the most intelligent, Pit Bull most playful, AST the one you want to leave alone.

Sandman · « **Reply #53 on:** August 22, 2002, 08:53:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Kanth
...That dog opens his mouth and turns to snap...sees my arm shuts his mouth in time but the momentum of his headmoving fwd he couldn't stop..
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Had the same sort of thing happen with my Jack Russell... No, not the damage part... the biting part. I was playing with both of my dogs and the older one, Petey bit me going for the other dog. As soon as he did it... within an instant he knew he did something seriously wrong. I didn't even raise my voice but his tail was between his legs and he immediatly went to a submissive position. I could almost hear him say, "oh toejam".

Was rather impressed by it.

Wardog · « **Reply #54 on:** August 25, 2002, 03:59:15 PM »

What most here dont understand is that most (Pit Bull) attacks are not Pit Bull but cross breeds. Ive owned 4 American Pit bull Terriers in my life and all where well behaved. They have an excellent temperment toward people, and this is from the resean they were breed. In the Pit there is nothing more than about a 2 foot wall seperating the dogs from the spectators and handlers. There has never been a recorded attack (ever) about a Pit Bull attacking anyone when its fighting another dog. Also, it people who take care of the dogs after the fight.

As for biting, the Pit Bull has a jaw pressure of 2500psi compare this to a Shepard or Rottweiller with 650 to 800psi. So i a Pitty bites it does more damage.

I spent 6 months reading up and learning everything about the breed before i decided on buying one. Pound for pound the American Pit Bull Terrier is the strongest dog in the would. And if you decide to own one as a pet, raise it as a pet. If you raise it as an attack dog or gaurd dog you now have a lethal weapon.

There are to many idiots that no nothing about the breed or the history of the breed, but seem to want it banned because some idiot owner didnt raise it as a pet.

I have owned 4 since 1974 and i will not consider any other breed of dog.

The only real danger is that they will go after another dog its own size or bigger, If and only if it thinks there a challenge. When walking mine i allway keep a short leash. This is an instinct and easy to control.

FDR own a Pit Bull in the 40s, many sport star in the 50s also owned them. This was the 1st breed registered with the AKC in the late 1800s. A damn good breed and i hate to see it go extinct because of small minds and lack of knowledge.

Nothing pisses me of more than people who have no idea of what they are talking about.

Dog out...........

Also, ive had my handle since AW-DOS 1989. And yes, i came by it because of my dog Ranx at the time. He was my 3rd Pit.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #55 on:** August 25, 2002, 11:21:17 PM »

please give a cite for the jaw pressure . rott is bigger overall has a bigger head larger jaws more muscle on its head and approxamatly twice the psi of a german sheppard. most of the stats on bite pressure dont even include pits.

just a quick search on rottweiler bite pressure showed a police site clamiming 2700 lbs for rott ( the most powerfull bite dog )

sorry man you got a mean little dog bred to be thrown in a pit and kill. dont make it to be what it is not.

Kanth · « **Reply #56 on:** August 26, 2002, 12:32:44 AM »

man that stuff's not even fresh..

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Originally posted by lord dolf vader

sorry man you got a mean little dog bred to be thrown in a pit and kill. dont make it to be what it is not.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #57 on:** August 26, 2002, 12:55:30 AM »

"BTW... no Rotweiler breeders here? I've heard there's an agression classification assigned to them based on parents classification. Something about a scale of 1-4. Something about the parents not being able to add up to more than 4. Agression can be bred into a dog. But it can also be bred out of one.

AKDejaVu"

ohh yea you never lose you edge do you . I dont breed them but hope to somday . agression with a rottweiler is more like aggresion with a human . they think i mean really think and have a range of emotions that no other breed i know of displays. ( i have had about 5 dogs prevously all except one a mix ) the breed has been around for centurys and is bred to be a general all perpose usefull dog. it can heard 2400 lb animals. catch a frizby out of the air ( ok you only get about 20 throws till frisbee is tattered) take cold to the extent a husky can and still take texas heat no prob. baby sit a infant and haul them back in the yard when they try to run off. not to mention killing pit bulls in record time. and pull a cart with two grown men riding in it with ease.

if you want a meat missile with killing on its mind you can get it out of a rott easly and nothing in the dog world can stop one if you do. but that is not its nature. ( some percentage of dogs are born aggressive but rotts have this no more than any other breed that is abused by breeding defective animals).

mine sits by me now and no man need fear him unless attacking me or mine. you cant say that about pits for the most part. they were bred for aggresion originaly and while in the family unit they are great dogs. most become psyco in situations involving strangers or another dog on his percieved territory. I know pit owners will probly dissagree but i have seen it in them over and over. their little brains write checks their teeth cant cash when a rott is around.

there are no bad dogs of any breed ( excepting the defectivly bred) but a dog bred solely for being thrown in a pit and fighting to the death is gonna be a pain in the bellybutton what ever you do.

Wardog · « **Reply #58 on:** August 26, 2002, 07:27:58 AM »

Vader, as far as i can tell someone is filling your head with crap on the PSI of the Rottie.. Ive read more info on all the large breed than i care to remember. Have never seen a Rottie jaw (Bite) pressure listed over 800psi...

http://www.edba.org.au/courier.html

There are a lot of books out there, ive read all of Richard Strattons on the APBT. Reading one article on any breed does you no good. You need to read evey bit of availible material. Like i said in my above post, 6 months of reserch and reading before i concided buying an APBT.

A game Pit Bull will dispatch a Rottie in under an hour. Size makes no difference. Game, tenacity and will does. The japanese love gambling and they bet on dog fights with there breed the Tosa. These are 140+ LBS dogs breed for fighting in Japan. An American brought 4 APBT to Japan and entered all into fights against the Tosa. The dogs ranged from 35 to 49lbs. All 4 won there fights.

Dog out............

lazs2 · « **Reply #59 on:** August 26, 2002, 08:23:08 AM »

If I see either one of those sweethearts out in the field with me I'm gonna put a bullet in em. You wanna keep em then leave em in your yard or house and act responsibly. No excuses. If you are crippled or stupid then you probly need some attack dog to defend you but don't let it get around me if you don't wanna have to buy and new one.

Personally... I think you look stupid picking up dogshit.
lazs