Author Topic: German Bombers (Read 1435 times)

brady · « **Reply #30 on:** August 27, 2002, 02:35:12 AM »

I am pro Wellington.

Staga · « **Reply #31 on:** August 27, 2002, 04:37:05 AM »

IMHO there's already quite suitable plane set for BoB;
- Germans have Ju-88 A-4 and Britons have Boston III
- Me Bf-109 E4 + F4 / Bf-110 C4/b vs. Hurricane Mk I / IIc + Spit V (maybe P-40B)

I really can't see any reason to model a plane like Do-17 when axis already have a medium bomber from that era. Same goes with Blenheim/Wellington when there's already Boston III.

Only planes (imo of course) needed would be Ju-87B (and D+G variants for eastern front) and Spitfire II. Modelling other types for BoB would be wasting of resources (imo again).

IMO (again) what people flying german iron need is a late war, unperked, medium/heavy bomber like He-177, Ju-188 or Do-217. Creating anything else is creating different kind of targets for MA use.

Karnak · « **Reply #32 on:** August 27, 2002, 05:43:06 AM »

The planes I'd like to see for the BoB environment are the Ju87B-1 and He111H-16.

I know we are already covered for a medium German bomber, but it just isn't the BoB without the He111.

I don't think any more British aircraft are needed for the BoB environment. British bombers were not significantly affecting the war, until they repeated bombed Berlin and pissed the Nazi high command off. And the mistake of the Nazi high command is unlikely to be repeated in any simulation.

No, the Hurricane Mk I and Spitfire Mk Ia are plenty for the British.

HoHun · « **Reply #33 on:** August 27, 2002, 06:00:16 AM »

Hi Karnak,

>The planes I'd like to see for the BoB environment are the Ju87B-1 and He111H-16.

The He 111H-16 wasn't available in the BoB - the types used were the H-1, H-2 and H-3. The most representative He 111 probably is the H-6, the most capable the H-16.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Staga · « **Reply #34 on:** August 27, 2002, 08:54:13 AM »

I would rather see few cockpit updates than a He-111.

hyena426 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 27, 2002, 11:16:31 AM »

i would rather see a new plane then cockpit updates,,,,lol,,,,he111 was about the best bomber it had in production,,,could carry more,,and had guided missles,,and a bombay 115mm cannon version,,,,all so it had a ver with a 20mm gun,,and 4,,7.62

Staga · « **Reply #36 on:** August 27, 2002, 01:03:46 PM »

He-111 is a nice bird for a early war scenario but in MA, where planes are mostly used, it's nothing but a target.

Actually I just did a one hour mission in He-111 with few squad mates and a couple Bf110s escorting (did got a british AA gun, inf and damaged a 2 pounder AT-gun).
Plane works nice in wwiiol but IMHO there's plenty of other planes I would like to see in AH than another early war medium bomber in Axis hangars.

He111 in WWIIOL

brady · « **Reply #37 on:** August 27, 2002, 06:56:24 PM »

Yes the He 111 rocks in WW2 online, Which after their latest updates is very flyable now. It's kinda like this Huge Ct or special event that never ends:) Tanks are modeled very well to.

NOD2000 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 27, 2002, 09:27:38 PM »

sorry hyena but there was a case of a b-17 taking off with 16,000lbs of bombs and many took off with 12,000 to bomb V1 sites hell even the old 26 took off with 8,000lbs of bombs

but anyway back to subject he-111 would be nice along with the stuka possibly the Do-17...........but most german bombers are armed with 7.92mm's for defensive armerment that Hitech would add

and i just can't get rid of flying a plane that has 2 really durable eng's, twelve .50 cal's, 8,000 max bombload (as far as i have read thats the most), 310mph max speed, carried torp's (ah won't add that feature:mad:

) and has one bad bellybutton attitude:cool: .............

cajun · « **Reply #39 on:** August 27, 2002, 10:20:50 PM »

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Originally posted by whgates3
Breda BR.20 & Fiat CR.42 are also needed to fill out Battle of Britain planeset...also maybe Blenheims are needed for the RAF to attack accidentally - is there ever going to be a Battle of Barking Creek scenario?

Agreed 100%! And the gloster gladiator as well, I mean it was the first fighter to engage enemy bombers in the BoB if I remember correctly!
I think this is how my BoB squad should look

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BenDover · « **Reply #40 on:** August 27, 2002, 10:45:12 PM »

hey nod, i love the b26 now, got gang banged by a 190d9 (he managed to get that close to me while i was watching the spit in the waist guns) & a spit (not sure which mk)

I either blew something important off the 190 or it was a crappy ditch, the spit i hit a few times with the right waist, then he zoomed in front of me and i finished him off with the front guns

Then i went afk for a few, and a p47 straffed my b26, nocked out my left elevator plus left waist, i managed to get a few good shots with the tail gun, i must've damage the pee47 badly cos he peeled off and never showed up again

Then i nackered my engines landing too steep:rolleyes:, managed to roll onto the runway though

But back to the topic, add the he111 with guided missiles (.target 262

) and early war planes are better than these latewar dive onto target, either either blow them away with a few shots, or mess up and run your arse off

"No soop for you!"

whgates3 · « **Reply #41 on:** August 27, 2002, 11:34:27 PM »

The Gladiator flew in the Bo'B w/ one fighter command squadron - 247 & w/ the Fleet Air Arm. also 19 squadon flew the Spit Mk. Ib armed w/ 4 x .303 cal + 2 x 20mm

247 Squad Gladiator

whgates3 · « **Reply #42 on:** August 27, 2002, 11:35:40 PM »

19 squadon Spit Mk. 1b - isn't this thread supposed to be about luftwaffe bombers?

cajun · « **Reply #43 on:** August 28, 2002, 12:49:55 AM »

Very nice pic thanks!

...Didnt know they had a spitfire w/20 mms in bob!
Were'nt there 3-4 squads armed with galadiators in BoB?
At least thats what I read all the sites I've been to...

whgates3 · « **Reply #44 on:** August 28, 2002, 01:54:14 AM »

only RAF squad that operated Galdiators on home defense during Bo'B is 247 according to RAF Bo'B web site, but the Fleet Air Arm operated them as well, as for the Spit Ib cannon, they tended to jam after the 1st round was fired. this was due to how the cannon were installed in the wings...when i was looking this up i also found out that the Spit Mk. II went into service august 1940, and presumably straight into the Bo'B. Spit Mk. II used Merlin 12 engine & had ~ 145 HP more than Spit I. normal armament was still 8 x O.3O3