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Offline Kieran

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« Reply #90 on: August 29, 2002, 04:26:15 PM »
Yes, 10Bears, they should get the same treatment any other citizen gets.

Violent crime is the issue in this debate, not whether it was a sixpack the lil' tyke was stealing. You seem to keep forgetting that point...

And all you guys crying for leniency... just when does a teen begin to be responsible for his actions? Just when does it stop being mom's fault, the mental institution, school, teachers who don't care, etc. It's great some of you guys that were thugs in your neighborhood somehow escaped prosecution and are now doing fine... just hope your kids don't have to deal with someone like that, or your tune will change quickly. Lazs is more honest than the rest of you on that issue.

Just like everything else, the softy answer is "that's not the answer, so let's do nothing". Not one thing any of you softies have said is a viable alternative- not one. Instead, someone has to kill someone to get put away- leaving you softies scratching your heads wondering "How'd that happen?" and scrambling to find some environmental cause for the whole thing.

Point is, if you have a tendency to commit violent crime, I don't want you anywhere around me or mine. I don't care where you go, I don't want you around anyone that is innocent and just happens to be in your way. I don't care why you are the way you are. I don't care if your dad didn't love you. I don't want you hurting anyone innocent, period.

Let the enlightened pummel me some more now...

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« Reply #91 on: August 29, 2002, 04:28:24 PM »
Consequences, it’s all about consequences.
Too many kids don’t have appropriate consequences and learn that they can get away with murder.
The liberalist attitude that some parents take is usually something like:
“who else will take care my kids?” or something similar.
IMO the job of a parent is to teach their kids how to take care of themselves.
Teaching them that there are bad consequences for bad actions is responsible.
Teaching them that mommy or daddy will take care of them when they get in trouble isn’t.

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« Reply #92 on: August 29, 2002, 04:31:25 PM »
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Did anyone else think it was ironically funny that lieing is a "hanging offense" at Elfies house?
I wonder if this was before or after the bungie accident?

Maybe that was just playfull teasing to prove a point?  Lieing with a purpose.

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« Reply #93 on: August 29, 2002, 04:35:14 PM »
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I wonder if this was before or after the bungie accident?

Maybe that was just playfull teasing to prove a point?  Lieing with a purpose.

AKDejaVu


 That is some of the most beautiful spin I have ever seen.  You should be a campaign manager.

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« Reply #94 on: August 29, 2002, 04:35:43 PM »
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I've commited most of the crimes he was convicted of, when I was a teenager.
 


Really, Thrawn? You attacked police officers on multiple occasions while incarcerated? You attacked your mother to the point she called the police? You attacked fellow inmates? You escaped from police custody? You did all that? Gee- and MT says I'm a liar :)

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« Reply #95 on: August 29, 2002, 04:36:50 PM »
Not saying do nothing.

Not even saying be lenient.

But 10 years is just stupid.

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« Reply #96 on: August 29, 2002, 04:38:10 PM »
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Really, Thrawn? You attacked police officers on multiple occasions while incarcerated? You attacked your mother to the point she called the police? You attacked fellow inmates? You escaped from police custody? You did all that? Gee- and MT says I'm a liar :)


Yea, but you are still my favorite liar.... big hugs.


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« Reply #97 on: August 29, 2002, 04:40:32 PM »
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I wonder if this was before or after the bungie accident?

Maybe that was just playfull teasing to prove a point?  Lieing with a purpose.

AKDejaVu


DejaVu, didn't you squelch me several months ago? What happened? Did you lose your squelch file? Do me a favor and resquelch me or send back the Efluff'n Squelcher t-shirt I sent ya. Sheeesh.

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« Reply #98 on: August 29, 2002, 04:51:16 PM »
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Really, Thrawn? You attacked police officers on multiple occasions while incarcerated? You attacked your mother to the point she called the police? You attacked fellow inmates? You escaped from police custody? You did all that? Gee- and MT says I'm a liar :)


Sorry Deja, you're position of spin master has just been usurped.

Where does say multiple occasions?  Where does it say he attacked his inmates?

"State Attorney David Porter said the teen had been convicted of battery on a detention facility staff member, aggravated assault and battery on school staff.

But Cheryl Bollenback told the judge before sentencing the convictions sounded worse than they actually were. She said the detention facility employee was dismissed after the fight with her son because he had a history of being physically violent."

"The aggravated assault charge came after her son threw a stick in her direction during a quarrel. "

"Her son received the school-related charge when a staff member tried to break up a fight between him and another student. "It's not like he punched a school employee," she said. "

I stand by what I said.

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« Reply #99 on: August 29, 2002, 05:39:29 PM »
Thrawn-

Sorry, doesn't add up. Why the convictions if they were no biggie?

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« Reply #100 on: August 29, 2002, 06:05:28 PM »
Was it the same judge?  ;)

I'll concede that we don't have the full story here.  The mother could be full of it, or not.

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« Reply #101 on: August 29, 2002, 07:00:01 PM »
Just like everything else, the softy answer is "that's not the answer, so let's do nothing". Not one thing any of you softies have said is a viable alternative- not one. Instead, someone has to kill someone to get put away- leaving you softies scratching your heads wondering "How'd that happen?" and scrambling to find some environmental cause for the whole thing.

Yeah right, I offered plenty of viable alternatives... it's just hard for your Nazi ideals to swallow. See, I can play the name game too. Heil Kieren! Overcrowd our prisons, and turn any potential lives that could be helped into a waste! Sieg Heil!

I so could go into the whole religious ideals and stuff... but I won't... because then you'll just whine about me doing it, while it's fine for you to assault my ideals. Irony. Sweet, sweet irony.
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« Reply #102 on: August 29, 2002, 07:08:16 PM »
Well, We can play the name game too! Liar Liar Pants On Fire! I know you are but what am I? COMMUNIST!!!!! Rat Fink! (when's the last time ya heard that one?) You...you BISHOP! You lousy stinkin...(narrator's voice-over as I continue my rant)...And so ends another glorious O'Club thread with everybody equally insulted, equally pissed off and equally looking for blood...as we all retire to the MA to shoot each other down- a much more civil treatment than we're subject to here....

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« Reply #103 on: August 29, 2002, 07:15:29 PM »
From where i sit, what i've seen, what I've done myself and what my heart and my gut tell me..

the kids a lost cause.

why?

because he's declared war on civilized society. The core of our civilization is respect for the rights of others. this miserable lil bozo is old enuff and smart enuff to know how to prey on the weak, demonstrated a propensity for violence in the commision of crime and has rendered the system incompetent to deal with him rationally.. so the system's gonna stick him in the box with all the other violent social defectives that refuse to operate within the rational boundries of our society.

bame whoever you wish.. does not change the reality of the situation... the lil creep refused to accomodate the rights of others in the pursuit of his happiness and thus, having gerviously assaulted others, invaded their homes, flaunted and even assaulted the authority of representatives of the law, he went on to continue to violate the rights and property of others. Further, having refused medical treatment and parental succor.. even physically assaulting his parent... he obviously needs to be removed from society..

Yes.. it's awful. What a shame. Brings tears to yer eyes. Here's a challenge for you guys that think he can be saved.. go save him. C'mon.. bring this poor misunderstood boy into your home and fix him with kindness.  

Some of you bleeding heart sentimental types seem freakin real quick to condemn the 'system', quick to condemn the people who face this same miserable tragedy every day and find, just like that judge, that the situation is NOT correctable by means allowing the kid access to society,. In in the face of evidence that the kid will take any opportunity to do further damage to himself and the others around him even inside the closed society of a juvinile detention facility the judge faced hobsons choice...

Some one please point out a rational placement for this kid besides the big house... and I'll tear it apart. Outside of a parent present that can and will kick his bellybutton at the drop of a hat, there will be no controlling him. So he can't go back to 'family'.

No 'mental' institution would be willing to allow somebody with a history of violence to mix with other paitients.. helpless paitents.

No foster home could accept or control a kid that refuses to accept direction or authority.

Nope.. time for this kid to learn that his actions have consequences. And Bubba will teach him the error of his ways. And yes, prison is the only place i can think of that is equipped to handle violent habitual criminals.

In eight years, when he steps out he'll have a new set of choices. In eight years the system might be better equipped to deal with his brand of defect. In eight years, bubba may have killed him.

Who knows.. in eight years, maybe he will have taught the Caliphs horse to sing.
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« Reply #104 on: August 29, 2002, 07:51:20 PM »
SW-

You said get him away from his mother. Where? What place will that be? Tell me, what saved you?

And that's "Mr. Kieren" to you. ;)

Edit: Go for the religion, see if I care. I can counter your scripture with more scripture, and I'm used to the "your religion is responsible" comments by now...
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