Author Topic: The Conservative/Liberal Debate (Read 1161 times)

Curval · « **on:** September 17, 2002, 05:45:44 PM »

The arguments between these two will never end. They are diametrically opposed "forces"..and for one very simple reason.

The liberal feels that the basic nature of man is "good".

The conservative feels that the basic nature of man is "bad".

I can provide many examples of the latter. Concrete solid physical examples.

Can the same be said for the former?

Discuss.

ra · « **Reply #1 on:** September 17, 2002, 06:27:15 PM »

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The conservative feels that the basic nature of man is "bad".>>>

Then why do liberals think that man cannot be trusted with guns? Change 'nature of man' to 'nature of government', and you have a point. You do know that there is a difference between man and government, right?

ra

Eagler · « **Reply #2 on:** September 17, 2002, 08:45:05 PM »

The liberal feels that the basic nature of man is "good".

I am a conservative and feel the same way - "man is good"

I also feel the "basic" man is stupid and lazy - what the dems/libs count on

Mr. Blonde · « **Reply #3 on:** September 17, 2002, 09:09:03 PM »

They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; There is none that do good, no, not one.

easymo · « **Reply #4 on:** September 17, 2002, 09:13:23 PM »

American liberal = Communist lite.

Sikboy · « **Reply #5 on:** September 17, 2002, 09:46:17 PM »

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Originally Written By P.J. O'Rourke in the Book Parliament of potatos
But although this is a conservative book, it is not informed by any very elaborate political theory. I have only one firm belief about the American political system, and that is: God is a Republican and Santa Claus is a Democrat

God is an elderly or, at any rate, middle aged male, a stern fellow, patriachal rather than paternal and a great believer in rules and regulations. He holds men strictly accountable for their actions. He has little apparent concern for the material well-being of the disadvantaged. He is politically connected, socially powerful and holds the mortgage on literally everything in the world. God is difficult. God is unsentimental. It is very hard to get into God's heavenly country club.

Santa Claus is another matter. He's cute. He's nonthreatenting. He's always cheerful. And he loves animals. He may know who's been naughty and who's been nice, but he never does anything about it. He gives everyone everything they want without thought of a quid pro quo. He works hard for charities, he's famously generous to the poor. Santa Claus is preferable to God in every way but one: There is no such thing as Santa Clause

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GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #6 on:** September 17, 2002, 10:02:39 PM »

"American liberal = Communist lite."

This has often been my experience at the college level. Some even forgo the "lite" part.

whgates3 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 17, 2002, 10:37:10 PM »

...but the conservatives that get elected are conservative in name only...except for john mCcain(et al)'s annual pork report, i cant think of anything amongst the rulers of america that aint big spending...FDR & WWII was where it all started. before that taxes were relativley small & gov't was week. even the conservative fringe candidates (buchanan, etc.) that run aren't into seriously cutting spending, just suffling it to their pet projects. taxes are getting to be nearly 50%, but it grows so subtly nobody gets angry.
...to sum up: all elected politicians take your $$$ & stab u in the back

funkedup · « **Reply #8 on:** September 17, 2002, 10:51:03 PM »

Republicans are just a slightly less virulent strain of socialists than Democrats.

It's like the difference between eating toejam and eating toejam with chocolate syrup on it. The toejam with chocolate syrup tastes marginally better, but you are still eating toejam.

Sandman · « **Reply #9 on:** September 18, 2002, 01:09:12 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
"American liberal = Communist lite."

and...

"American Conservative = Fascist Lite"

whgates3 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 18, 2002, 01:10:45 AM »

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It's like the difference between eating toejam and eating toejam with chocolate syrup on it. The toejam with chocolate syrup tastes marginally better, but you are still eating toejam.

i dont know about that...while i like chocolate syrup, i wouldn't put it on a steak - it would probably take terrible. so there is the very real possibility that toejam is 'better' w/out chocolate syrup.
i'm sure someone out there has cartman's mom's phone number so we can settle this issue

miko2d · « **Reply #11 on:** September 18, 2002, 07:55:16 AM »

Liberals are collectivists - tend to consider people as groups, deal with them as groups and believe that all actions should be collective.

Concervatives are undividualists - they believe in personal responcibility and personal actions. Obvioulsy they are at disadvantage politically as they not as good at organising.

Liberals tend to regulate economy but free morality. Conservatives tend to free economy but regulate morality.

Otherwise it's the same - Al Gore or George W. Gore - swap them overnight and you'd never notice.

miko

Masherbrum · « **Reply #12 on:** September 18, 2002, 12:10:35 PM »

Debating over "politicians" that can give a rat's bellybutton about you, now THIS is funny!.

Karaya2

midnight Target · « **Reply #13 on:** September 18, 2002, 12:14:06 PM »

A Liberal is just a Radical with 2 kids and a mortgage.

Conservatives just suck.

I hope I have straightened out everyone on the proper definitions.

Eagler · « **Reply #14 on:** September 18, 2002, 12:14:33 PM »

"...but the conservatives that get elected are conservative in name only..., i cant think of anything amongst the rulers of america that aint big spending"

Correct

What the spending is on then becomes the issue ...

National Defense or another $100 a month to every unemployed pregnant Opra/Springer watching democrat .. hmm