Giving Muting power to customers.. BIG mistake!!

[Dingy]

 

Originally posted by llbm_MOL:
We dont need players with god powers as long as there is a .squelch command. If Dingy didnt wanna hear what Red had to say all he has to do is type. Same for anybody else that found his type profane.

LLB,

I understand your viewpoint here but there are problems with just leaving it a squelch issue.  The players involved in these exchanges will rarely back down and squelch the other while swallowing their pride.  Everyone needs to get the last word in.  Its human nature and the thrill of competition  

The problem with these exchanges on ch 1 is that they can quickly turn into free for alls as it could have last nite.  Players who were not even involved soon felt they had to share their own thoughts regarding one side or the other.  I've seen exchanges between 2 pilots quickly turn into heated exchanges of BS between multiple players within 2 different countries.  These are the kinds of events I think most of us would rather see nipped in the bud by muting of one or both of the participants.

Respectfully,
-Ding

[This message has been edited by Dingy (edited 03-19-2001).]

[AKDejaVu]

 

if you feel that the majority of us have to listen to your foul mouths whenever you feel inclined to pull the chain, then you're kidding yourself.

I don't really think foul mouth was the issue here Ice.  Bad attitudes most certainly was.  It seems to have broken down to a "who was worse" debate.  The guy that returned the <S> with "whatever" or the guy that wouldn't let it go.

I personally haven't found foul language to be anything near as offensive as flippant comments.  The other day, I was in a turn fight with an F4u-1C in my Yak.  I was above and about 150 degrees behind and dove just a tad bit coming in right behind him for a beautiful 150 yard shot that didn't have a single round miss.  All this the culmination of a dogfight/jousting match that lasted about 5 minutes.

Enemy: Nice turning yak
DjV: Nice fight <S>
Enemy: No way in hell a Yak can turn that tight

Let it go.

Last night, some tanks and ostwinds were hitting our base.  I up in a heavy F4u-1D and attempt to remedy the situation just as our FH goes down.  I come around on the nearest panzer and dive to drop bombs.. he exits before getting killed.  I procede to the next targets and get two more kills.  I proceded to where they re-spawned and had another exit.  

After rearming, I notice they gave up and decide to jetison my stores and defend against higher cons.  The same pilot comes in 2 times at about 12k and tries to kamakazi dive bomb the base.  I kill him both times.  He comes in again, only this time at 15k.  I suspect he is lite and wanting revenge, but defense is on my mind... so I proced to treat it as if he is prepping to bomb again, even though he has about a 2k alt advantage.  He engages me instead and gains an instant upperhand.  I dive down and drag him through the ack.  On the second attempt he breaks off and I pursue getting the kill after re-engaging him.

enemy: Nice ack dive

I understand that squelching the victor and the victim would mean no <S> for 2 minutes or so.  I am just a bit bummed that it wouldn't really be squelching that many pilots.

So, <S> to DREX, Servo and those I've recently saluted on chanel one... all of whome handled the victory or loss with dignity and returned the gesture (or instigated it).  "Screw you" to all those that didn't.

AKDejaVu


[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 03-19-2001).]

[Drex]

Ice,

Sometimes they whine and call you a cheater
when you let your flying do the talking.  I don't mind the banter or the language its the whines.

To many whines are being thrown out on open channel.  Some of the guys that whine the most play the most.  Let's dig that stat out.  I wouldn't pay $30 to be pissed off constantly.

On the issue of muting.  I don't have a stance on the subject as it will never affect me.

Drex  

[This message has been edited by Drex (edited 03-19-2001).]

[aknimitz]

Dingy, I cant believe you are going to sit there and say you have no respect for AK's online.  You and I had a situation arise, and we handled it like it should have been handled - in a duel.  Since then, I *thought* we had a decent relationship.  Please dont drag all the AK's through the mud because you have a problem with one.

And for the record, this is not about vulgarity, this is not about obscenity.  The word "dick" was said on open comms, not "You squealing dick, nothing more than dick.  Many of us have been guilty of running our mouths when a fight turns south or something happens we dont like.  I personally have done it many times and regret it every time.  I work on keeping my mouth shut, sometimes I fail.

Should SWulfe have called Dingy a dick, no.  Should he have been arbitrarily muted, no.  Do we deserve to know who/what/when/how is going on with this arbitrary muting stuff, yes!  

[Kieran]

Breaking a self-imposed moratorium on posting here...

A possible solution is to take it to private. The last "debate" I had online I could see was going to clot the airwaves, so I took it to the private channel. Had I not done so I am sure someone might have gotten muted, but certainly we would have angered the rest of the arena. No reason why everyone needs to endure every last moment of posturing on either (or both) sides.

[hogfarmr]

i think people are not understanding the item in question. I dont care about people muting people cause they curse. its a online game and should be clean for all ages to play. the point was there is some htc power that is muting people for no reason. wulfe only said dick once, and got a warning for it. but then after saying nothing else he got muted. wtf??? this is the problem that needs to be addressed by htc staff asap, no way am i going to spend $30 knowing that just cause i shoot someone down or they think i'm a dweeb for whatever reason that i will be muted for 10 min, not even able to talk to squadies.
please htc staff do something to assure us that this wont happen.
-Akhog

NUTTZ you dont suck man, you just got bounced. sorry, was kinda pissed when i typed.  .

[Dingy]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I personally haven't found foul language to be anything near as offensive as flippant comments.

The whole issue isnt who is right and wrong but rather its about whether muting is a necessary evil.  Most of the people who are for it thinks its necessary to either stop a verbal exchange before it gets out of control or to silence the person who has crossed some line of conduct.  I think racially offensive comments fall into this category since many people have very heated opinions on racial topics.  A game arena isnt the correct forum to "discuss" these.

Everyone has a choice on how to behave.  If you have a problem with flippant remarks, squelch the person.  Odds are there is nothing you can say to change their viewpoint.  If, however, you choose to resort to name calling, all you are doing is exacerbating the situation which usually causes it to escalate within the arena.  

As DoK stated, I think another appropriate situation for muting is making inflamatory racial comments on a public radio channel.  This is another instance where dialog can quickly escalate out of control since racial topics are typically discussed in a heated exchange.

I admit that I am not an angel here, guys.  I have gotten into name calling exchanges with a few others on occasion and probably should have been muted also.  Looking back on it, I feel sorry for some of the comments I have directed back to other players.  I am a hothead and am cursed with an uncanny ability to type 80 words a minute.  Because of this, my fingers are typing and hitting Enter before I can think about what I just typed out  

But, if muting can nip public displays of incendiry remarks in the bud and prevent lasting hard feelings between players, Im all for it.

-Ding

[SwampRat]

 

Originally posted by Dingy:
WAAAAAAAAA!

Dingy gives us an indicator of his age.  I'll wager a paycheck on 12.  Any takers?

SwampRat

[Dingy]

 

Originally posted by aknimitz:
Dingy, I cant believe you are going to sit there and say you have no respect for AK's online.  You and I had a situation arise, and we handled it like it should have been handled - in a duel.  Since then, I *thought* we had a decent relationship.  Please dont drag all the AK's through the mud because you have a problem with one.

Nim,

You are right.  I do have respect for you and a few other AKs and shouldnt get into dragging the entire group of AKs through the mud here.  Unfortunately, the ones I take most exception with are typically the most outspoken and as such are the ones I associate with your squad.  That is the basis for my feelings on the AKs.

Anyway, this isnt a forum to discuss my feelings for a given squad, so lets just leave it at,

"Nimitz, I respect you".  

-Ding

[Dingy]

 

Originally posted by SwampRat:
Dingy gives us an indicator of his age.  I'll wager a paycheck on 12.  Any takers?

These are the type of incendiary comments which do nothing in the arena except exacerbate the situation.  Was it called for?  No.

Will I resort to calling you a name?  No.

Im 34.  Now Swamprat, resist piling on if you dont have anything constructive to say  

-Ding

[hblair]

Preach on deja.

 

Originally posted by Drex:
On the issue of muting.  I don't have a stance on the subject as it will never affect me.

Well said brother drex.

 

Originally posted by Ice:
Here's a wild concept...why not let your flyin do your talkin...there isn't a player in this sim who would not respect that, even if they didn't like you.

Yasir. Yasir.

[J_A_B]

I think some positive can be seen here:

Regardless of WHO was muted, it prevented a flareup on CH1.   That is the goal of the mute power, and it apparently works.

SW was muted the SECOND time to prevent a flareup about WHY he was muted the first time.  If he hadn't been muted the second time, we would have ended up with this thread on CH1.

The problem with having visible STAFF is that people say whatever they want to when the staff is not on--then they "act nice" once staff logs on.  I rather like the idea of having a non-visible staff.   I just HOPE that this staff IS NOT ALLOWED to play the game while doing their job--otherwise the potential for abuse increases greatly ("you killed me so I'll mute you to get even.")

If the staff CAN play the game while they're doing their duty, then we should know who they are.  

J_A_B

[mrfish]

 

Originally posted by Dingy:

What a constructive post Fish.  You have something to say about the muting issue the Wulf brought up, then post it.  Bringing me into this again serves no purpose.

alright dingy, fair enough,  here's my constructive post about muting:

who cares

really, if you aren't on ch1 crying about everything, taunting and hurling insults and accusing everyone of cheating when you die then you really have nothing to worry about.

Your type has never really, legitimately been shot down have you? not once it is a miracle and a testament to your skill really - it's always been a weird and unfair coincidence of net lag, cheap shots, overmodelled adversaries and cheating huh - and you have no qualms about slinging garbage at everyone who defeats you:  

"YOU ARE SO PORKED!!" on the private channel is one of my all-time favorite constructive dingy comments. real class ding.

you are arguing over actions in retrospect that could have been avoided altogether if you and your kind just played the game like men who took their destinies, fair or not (like life)and didnt try so hard to explain your defeats. it diminishes the experience.

[Dingy]

 

Originally posted by hogfarmr:
no way am i going to spend $30 knowing that just cause i shoot someone down or they think i'm a dweeb for whatever reason that i will be muted for 10 min, not even able to talk to squadies.

Before you lose complete sight of the real issue here, lemme try and bring you back to the center of the argument.  You WILL NOT be arbitrarily muted in the arena for "just flying around" or cause someone "thinks you are a dweeb".

Odds are it is the OTHER PERSON who will be muted if namecalling exchanges occur.  I dont see why people feel they have a right to be abrasive online and are flinching at this mute policy.  Its a risk you run if you feel the need to press the issue.

As one of the most vocal players online I have no problem with this policy.  

-Ding

[CRASH]

Sure do, I was wrong, and I apologized. As I recall it was a net issue.  I didnt try to justify it on the boards later or start a name callin' campaign in the ma.  If someone muted me in the arena fer doin it they'd have been justified.

CRASH

QUOTE]Originally posted by AKWabbit:
Hey Crash, does "AKWABBIT YOU CHEATING diddly" ring a bell?

Not suprising you'd take the side of a childish sore loser.  At least Dingbat didn't accuse Wulfie of being a cheater when he got his bellybutton wasted eh?  

Wulfie I think this was your fault for two reasons:

1.  Dingy is nothing but a piece of human excrement.  You should know that by now.  He doesn't even come close to deserving a salute for any reason.  Just gut shoot him and move onto your next victim.

2.  If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times..NEVER EVER EVER EVER unsquelch chan 1.  Period. There's no intelligent life down there.  Don't waste your time.

Regards,
Wab[/QUOTE]