P51 Runners...

[J_A_B]

"more likely to have a 51 run than any other plane"

Depends on how you mean that.   If you mean that tne average P51 is more likely to run away than the average 190, I'd say you're mistaken.  

However, if you suspect that if you encountry a runner plane in the MA it'll most likely be a P51 (since the 51 is more numerous than the 190), then you're right.  

Bit of a failure to communicate in this thread  

J_A_B

[Wotan]

If you mean that tne average P51 is more likely to run away than the average 190, I'd say you're mistaken.

No thats not what I said at all.

I never said  every 51 pilot runs or that the average p51 pilot runs more.

I did say in each thread that there are 51 pilots who fight and are great. I also said several times that if my statements dont apply to you then thats great. I never said other planes dont run.

The point in all my posts in this thread was to say:

Since there are so many more 51s flown that folks are more likely to encounter a p51 who runs then say a 190d9.

Thats not to say 190s dont run or any plane doesnt run.

I also gave a definition what I consider running. The guy who comes in with the advantage Bore N' ZZZ (not Boom and Zoom) then extends all the way out of icon range to come back over and over hoping to catch you not paying attention. As soon as you respond to him he extends again.

Running from a disadvantaged position, withdrawing to re position are not what I call "running".  Using your speed or e advantage to create seperation is not running.

You can no more call a guy using his speed and climb a dweeb any more then you can call a zeke or spit dweebs for using angles. .

I fly the planes I do to their strengths and I assume others do as well.

[J_A_B]

"No thats not what I said at all. "

Sorry for the misunderstanding.  In my last post I tried to say I figured out that you didn't mean what some of us had taken you to mean, but I see that my last post is filled with bad spelling and grammar errors and has a paragraph missing; I must have screwed it up somehow before posting it.   It'd be hard to make any sense at all out of the remaining gibberish heh heh heh.

To correctly phrase what I was trying to say:

It seemed to some of us that you were suggesting that the average 51 driver is more of a wimp than the average 190 driver.

What you were REALLY saying is you're more likely to encounter a runner 51 than a runner 190 because more people fly 51's in the MA, and weren't really picking at relative pilot skills at all.

Classic internet-induced failure to communicate  

J_A_B

[Wotan]

What you were REALLY saying is you're more likely to encounter a runner 51 than a runner 190 because more people fly 51's in the MA, and weren't really picking at relative pilot skills at all.

Thats it

[Drunky]

Ahhhhh....closure

Now for a big group hug

LOL

[MrLars]

Awright! Just who the f*** gave me that wedgie?

Never gonna hug a group of pearshaped computer geeks again

[Midnight]

Runners, runners everywhere and not a race to run.

Who gives a rat's bellybutton about who runs and who doesn't. I run when I loose advantage because that's what my plane of choice can do.

What do guys in A6Ms, Spits and Hurricanes do when they loose advantage? Umm.. TURN.. TURN.. and TURN again... Gee.. maybe because that is what their plane does the best.

You're not going to race a Ferrari in a Ford Escort, and your not going to put a Ferrai in a demolition derby. Why should you try to turn fight a P-51 in an outnumbered situation? You aren't going to win.

The whole stigma is so lame now anyway especially in the MA where N1Ks and LA7s have the uber powers. The only reason you don't see LA7s running more often is they accelerate like rockets, turn better than most, and have 20mm cannons. If P-51s had that, they wouldn't need to run either.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Wotan






I also gave a definition what I consider running. The guy who comes in with the advantage Bore N' ZZZ (not Boom and Zoom) then extends all the way out of icon range to come back over and over hoping to catch you not paying attention. As soon as you respond to him he extends again.

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now that sounds to me like the LW super plane  known as the ME262 , how come the ME262  NEVER wants to turn fight me , they just run run run then try to sneak back in and bounce me.

i have an opinion of people who ONLY fly LW planes

44MAG

[Heinkel]

When there are 200 perks on the line, people are naturally gonna fly more safe, and try not to get killed. The 262 was not meant to go out and turn fight enemy fighters. Anyway, which do you see more often? a 262 or p51? I have fought a few good p51 piolts, then I have fought many dweeby ones. The good ones stay and fight. The bad ones start at 25k, then as soon as they loose any advantage, they run. And I am not talking about extending, I mean RTB running or run till they run into high freidnly, and then turn around "as if they were brave." I am not saying that the p51 is the only plane that runs, just the one that runs from me (and other people i talk to) most often.

Not saying there aren't any good p51 piolts out there, because there are, I just don't run into them while flying.

[Rude]

Ok.........question

A good 51 pilot fights the way the other player thinks he should?

or

A bad 51 pilot fights the way he thinks he should?

Is that how we difine good and bad 51 pilots?

Just curious:)

[thrila]

A good runstang dweeb willstart with a 10k advantage and shoot you down.  A bad runstang dweeb will start with a 10k alt advantage make a pass, screw up and runaway back to base.

Does that make it clear for you dweebs.


Please feel free to swap runstang with-  

run-90
run-09
damn sissy boy la7 dweeb

and and any other fast plane that you can think of.


P.S. can someone please find a nickname for the la7 with something to do with running............ooo i got 100th post- where's my prize?

[Heinkel]

This goes for pretty much all planes (and it's just IMO)

A good piolt will stay and fight

A bad piolt will run to the nearest group of friednly planes, then come back and fight as if he is brave or somthing

Just my .02

[Steve]

I'm with ya now dude... wasn't clear what you were tryin to get across...thought you meant that your average 51 stick is more likely to run than your average d9 stick..it has been my position that they are probably about the same... but on a sheer numbers basis, as you have now made clear to me,(not saying it wasn't clear to our more astute readers...just that it wasn't clear to my own humble and limited intellect) there are more pony runners.

As for our skills.. dude  I was comparing numbers since it was the basis of the discussion, certainly not skills...I'm a noob and fly like one so I've no doubt you have a much higher degree of skill than I.  Also, thanks for 'splaining whacha meant by bore and zzz as compared to BnZ.  

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Heinkel
This goes for pretty much all planes (and it's just IMO)

A good piolt will stay and fight

A bad piolt will run to the nearest group of friednly planes, then come back and fight as if he is brave or somthing

Just my .02

A good pilot will exploit the strengths of his plane and the weakness's of the enemy plane. If that means extending and not turn fighting a turn fighter in an energy plane then that is the SMART thing to do. Giving the enemy the advantage over your own plane and fighting HIS fight is not the mark of a good pilot. It's the sign of a poor pilot.

To put it in RL perspective, pilots flying US planes were told NOT to turn with the Zero, for good reason. They were to use BnZ tactics and exploit their planes strengths of speed and dive over the zero's turn ability. The pilots that did that were the good ones. The bad ones didn't come back.

[Heinkel]

I agree, extending is necessary in many cases. Just know the difference between extending 2.0k away from the enemy and turning back to engage, and running to the next sector where 10 friendlys are then going back to fight.