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« Reply #75 on: October 05, 2002, 02:56:53 AM »
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Widewing,  

Well, learn something new about military history every day from you guys, well every day i read the message boards. Was it pressed into service as a fighter  through choice?  Or through insufficent numbers of fighters being available at certin times when those battles took place?
 
Imagine what it could do with a couple 20mm's   :)



Generally, the SBD was used to supplement the Wildcats, when most of the Wildcats were escorting strikes. Overall, they performed well as the anti-torpedo bomber screen.

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Widewing
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« Reply #76 on: October 05, 2002, 03:25:23 AM »
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I have never heard it put better.   God bless La7 pilots :)


The nature of VVS planes is that you start 70% of your fights from disadvantage. Though I love those who dive on me, they often end in full wings on 20mm after an overshoots :)

I think that la5 is one of the good plane to learn flying. It is average turner, average roller, has guns which requirs good firering discipline, it can't go high or fight on equal terms over 12k, so it often fight defensive. After new pilots out of their spits, niki's, p51s and la7s, they shall fly something like la5, yakT, 109g6, 205. Will be a pain initially, but with time it will give a great school.

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« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2002, 05:27:46 AM »
Doh!  Where's Lazs when you need him?  I knew I had him on the ropes, but it seems he's face down on the canvas. :D

Come on, Lazs. I'm not through with you yet. Come out and fight. But don't say I didn't warn you: I may be beaten in the virtual skies, but I never lose a fight on these boards.

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« Reply #78 on: October 06, 2002, 10:42:45 AM »
beetle... you are kidding right?   I said your K/D was about 1.5/1 for the last three tours.   go to the only spot that totals K/D and average your K/D for the last three complete tours.   It comes out allmost exactly 1.5/1   go back farther and your average drops..   You can allso see that you don't do to well in Kills per hour which would tend to lead me to think that you fly very carefully.

you get killed... you get killed..  that's all there is to it.   What you are doing is your bussiness but... We could all just pick one plane stat or another out of the whole and show outrageous K/d stats for that one little microcosm..

overall... you suck.   face it like a man.
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« Reply #79 on: October 06, 2002, 10:54:28 AM »
Oh... and... When have you ever won even one fight on the BB with anyone?   Mostly you end up backpeddling and apolodgizing.

In the U.S.... backpeddling and apolodgizing are not considered signs of victory (except by some politicians).   you will end up apolodgizing and back pedling eventually on this thread too so why not get it over with now...   I mean... you really don't know anything about the La7 and you would do poorly in it.   The best La 7 pilots would kill you no matter what you are in..  

but... the thread was about using the plane to attack superior numbers and having a chance of getting home, or better yet, frustrating the vultchers.   for that it is a wonderful weapon for the arena.... the arena as it is now that is.   My point is that I will use it as such but would much rather find a fight that is not condusive to La7 use.   If someone in an La7 enters the kind of fights I like he will simply feel left out.   He will not be much of a threat to me.   I don't fear him like you do because I don't face him on his terms where he is art the advantage.

We know what kind of fights I like...  So... what kind of fights do you like?   Let's hear about the kind of fights you seek out and why the big bad La7 is such boogy man to you.

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« Reply #80 on: October 06, 2002, 11:28:53 AM »
Yea, La7 isn't much use in a twisty turny furball, its low speed handling isn't up to the task.  Plus it actually accelerates to well for that, it'll overshoot if you arent real careful.  It is good for cherry-picking though, you can hang around the edges of a furball and pick stragglers or damaged planes off, and then run away from anyone who actually comes looking to kill you.  Thats how most people use the La7.  

La7 is excellent for goon-hunting, and picking off the occasional Rook/Bish/Knight 'mission' guy who is smart enough to look for the yahoo drilling all the goons.  Thats what I use it for when I fly it, and when I really feel like killing 4 guys who just gangbanged whatever other plane I was flying.

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« Reply #81 on: October 06, 2002, 11:46:41 AM »
yep urchin... I agree.   I normally don't have too much problem if it is a big fight with the La7   the sissies hanging out at the edge won't engage if it means leaving themselves vulnerable.   And besides.... They are pretty easy to dodge in both the FM2 and the -1A in my opinion.   They are not too durable and don't like getting pinged.. If you ping one he will run home.    I would like about 10% of thefields to be about 10% closer together for better gameplay for us mid war and the early war guys.  
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OK Lazs, the gloves are coming off.
« Reply #82 on: October 06, 2002, 04:26:57 PM »
Lazs, I don’t need to launch any personal attacks on you. By the time I’m done here, the facts will have provided all the material I need to expose you for the fraud that you are.

I would just like to quote some of the things you have said in this thread, so that I can reference them later.

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  • The arena has become a lot more "timid" lately (you know who you are).
  • The More "timid" of the horde allow the suicide (is suicide typhie a bish initiation rite?) flyers to kill themselves first
  • I think that all you are doing is proving that you know nothing whatsoever about the plane. (the LA7)
  • You average about a 1.5/1 k/d over the last three tours and kill maybe 50 planes a tour...
  • beet1e... my math may be faulty but.... your k/d for the last three tours that have been completed is.... 2.56/1 1.30/1 and .66/1
  • Oh... and... When have you ever won even one fight on the BB with anyone? Mostly you end up backpeddling and apolodgizing.
  • I mean... you really don't know anything about the La7 and you would do poorly in it. The best La 7 pilots would kill you no matter what you are in..
  • So... what kind of fights do you like? Let's hear about the kind of fights you seek out and why the big bad La7 is such boogy man to you.
  • If someone in an La7 enters the kind of fights I like he will simply feel left out. He will not be much of a threat to me. I don't fear him like you do because I don't face him on his terms where he is art the advantage.
  • We know what kind of fights I like... So... what kind of fights do you like? Let's hear about the kind of fights you seek out and why the big bad La7 is such boogy man to you.


Well I’m going to have fun with this lot. :D Look, Lazs, before we go any further, I want to introduce you to a new word in the English language. That word is ”substantiate”. It means providing evidence to corroborate what you say. I will need to use the word a lot in this post. Now I appreciate that you have a learning disability, and that your comprehension skills are not quite as one would wish, but if you learn nothing else today, at least learn the meaning of “substantiate”.

Just looking at points 1 and 2, I can’t help noticing how fond you are of using the word “timid”. You use it in other threads too. What are you saying here? Are you saying that players are not allowed to fly the way they want? Are you saying they must adhere to your protocol? In addition to wanting YOUR planes on YOUR map with the fields spaced the way YOU want, are you now saying that folks have got to fly the way YOU want so that YOU can “win” on YOUR terms? What exactly are you saying?

Your powers of comprehension seem to have abandoned you when you said:
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I think that all you are doing is proving that you know nothing whatsoever about the plane.
Lazs, I know enough of the LA7. I know that it’s one of the fastest prop planes in the game. I know it can run down a P51 or P47. I know it’s flown by many a dweeb, including yourself. What more do I need to know? I was killed only twice by an LA7 last tour, and I killed 17 of them – more than any other plane except the N1K2 – I got 22 of those. I have already said you wont see me in an LA7, so what else do you suggest I need to know about this plane?

Next, your mathematical skills and ability to search the stats page completely let you down:
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You average about a 1.5/1 k/d over the last three tours and kill maybe 50 planes a tour...
Total fabrication, and barefaced lies! Did you not read what I said above? Did you not know that in addition to fighter sorties, many of my missions are jabo sorties and that I score these as Attack sorties? Did you take the trouble to check the Attack sortie stats? No, you did not. You were too busy being an obnoxious smart arse. Please refer to the screen shot above. You accuse me of not knowing the first thing about the arena. Do you know the first thing about the scoring and stats system? Did you not read the part where I said I got 969 kills in the last three tours? Are you unable to comprehend? Do you disbelieve HTC? Do you disbelieve me?
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Oh... and... When have you ever won even one fight on the BB with anyone? Mostly you end up backpeddling and apolodgizing.
Lazs, it would serve your cause better if you could at least spell the words you use to assassinate my character. The correct spellings would have been “back-pedalling”  and “apologizing”. I will allow US spelling, and I will also allow your inability to spell correctly, as this would require learning abilities, and powers of comprehension. But let us not digress too far. To return to your point, you are way off. I have posted well in excess of 400 posts on this board. I have apologised twice. Once to nopoop, for saying something unkind which was unwarranted, and once to yourself – same reason, because I couldn’t bear the thought of you crying yourself to sleep. I am not ashamed to apologise (UK spelling) when I’m wrong, so it’s no use trying to embarrass me. As to your statement, you are completely unable to substantiate what you said about my doing that “most of the time”.  
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I mean... you really don't know anything about the La7 and you would do poorly in it. The best La 7 pilots would kill you no matter what you are in..
Oh no, not this again. :( How many more times, Lazs? What do I have to do to convince you that I will not be flying the LAzs-7 any time soon, and that I have been killed fewer than four times by an LA7 in any of the last three tours? Where are all these LA7 wonder-pilots? I don’t seem to run into many, although I did have an interesting one-on-one fight with kyle not long ago. He performed very well against my F4U-1C, but not quite well enough, and I killed him. Was a good fight though. But most tours, I don’t see many LA7s that end up killing me, so I am unable to make sense of Quote #7.
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We know what kind of fights I like... So... what kind of fights do you like? Let's hear about the kind of fights you seek out and why the big bad La7 is such boogy man to you.
Ah yes, I see that it’s not just learning and comprehension that let you down. It’s reading as well! If you would refer to one of my posts above, you will see that I enjoy flying the P47 in historical re-enactments, as far as that is possible in the AH MA. I also enjoy fighting the war, thereby adding meaning to all the air to air skirmishes. I’m not interested in the futility-furball crap that keeps you occupied, or of counting kills per hour, as this is a totally unrealistic method of assessment, but we wont go into that.
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If someone in an La7 enters the kind of fights I like he will simply feel left out. He will not be much of a threat to me. I don't fear him like you do
Yet again, you assert that I “fear” the LA7. Yet again, I must ask you to substantiate what you say with FACTS. I have already done so – using figures that can be obtained from the scoreboard, were you to take the trouble to learn how to use it properly.

Well Lazs, you’re not looking so clever now, are you? It’s easy to slag people off when you don’t bother to provide the facts to back it up, but much harder to do that when you have to substantiate what you say. Your last post was like a LA7 dweeb scoring a vulch, and then running away. I understand you have had your BBS privileges suspended in the past, and the reason this happened becomes clearer by the day.

I don’t particularly care for having to emblazon my stats across these boards for all the world to see – the data is freely available to those who know how to retrieve them, but I realise that does not include you. I have, however, attached some screenshots which display my stats the way I view them. The LA7 ones are perhaps the most relevant – a k/d against them of 14/3 and 17/2 for tours 31 and 32 respectively.

No, my reasons for this post are not to try to convince you of anything, as I don’t give a toss what you think. But I take exception to having you misrepresent my stats to the rest of the community, and then adding embellishments which are nothing short of a tissue of lies. I want the rest of the community to read what you have said, and what I have said, and check the facts for themselves. My main reason for posting here is to expose you as the self-centred, abusive, abrasive and devious lying toad that you are.

Goodnight, Lazs, and don’t wet the pillow on my account. :D

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« Reply #83 on: October 06, 2002, 06:01:15 PM »
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expose you as the self-centred, abusive...


It's correct spelling is "centered" where I hale from..

..not to knitpick mind you

Regardless, it WAS a lovely sentence..

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« Reply #84 on: October 06, 2002, 06:08:04 PM »
He's from Britain, goofball.  They spell it centre there.  You should have just said 'nanny nanny poo poo, stick your head in doodoo' Beetle.  Lazs is just messing with you.  He's probably laughing himself into an embolism reading your reply too.

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« Reply #85 on: October 06, 2002, 06:22:16 PM »
This thread is getting pretty good.  For this reason alone everyone reading this thread gets a picture of MR T to view for absolutely free!



Keep up the good work gents.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2002, 06:25:35 PM by thrila »
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« Reply #86 on: October 06, 2002, 07:16:13 PM »
Poopster - so noted, but
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It's correct spelling is "centered" where I hale from..
That would be "hail", and there would be no apostrophe in It's in that context. :D:D

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« Reply #87 on: October 06, 2002, 07:32:38 PM »
Well...

Beet1e you are indeed correct... I saw that apostrophe and KNEW I was dead in the water :D

But if I threw in an edit, I would have been cheating :)

On a side note:

Touched up photo's really turn my spigot.

THIS is the photo before Thrila got his hand in it.

DON'T HIDE THE TRUTH !!!
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« Reply #88 on: October 06, 2002, 07:52:21 PM »
Yo!  Sucka!
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Something like it's elder brother-
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« Reply #89 on: October 06, 2002, 08:35:39 PM »
Last one.:D
« Last Edit: October 06, 2002, 08:43:09 PM by thrila »
"Willy's gone and made another,
Something like it's elder brother-
Wing tips rounded, spinner's bigger.
Unbraced tailplane ends it's figure.
One-O-nine F is it's name-
F is for futile, not for fame."