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Offline miko2d

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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2002, 10:09:13 AM »
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Miko, define "Religious person".  Me thinks you open mouth and engage without much background on the person to engage with.


 I am not sure what does background info have to do with it. You posted a quote - whether true of fictitious - that reflects the common line of reasoning by some religious persons.
 Neither SOB's nor my posts refer personally to you but to supposed religious author of the words.

 Upon a thorough reading, I see the problem -  SOB is asking you and I do say "You are asking a religious person" in my post, so it implies you. You are correct - a better wording would be "You are expecting a reasoning from a religious person...". That would clearly distinguish between you as a party to the discussion and an author of an opinion questioned by SOB and explained by me without attributing it to you.
 Will edit my post for clarity.

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« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2002, 10:26:34 AM »
Religion is nothing more than mankind's attempt to find meaning in life that extends beyond our few years of indvidual existence. Many have speculated over the centuries as to why so many feel that need.

If you're content and satisfied with only the 70 odd years you may have here then I'm happy for you. However, I'm not. Especially when I consider how vast physical space may be. No proof here but I suspect that from our perspective the Universe may be as infinitely small as it is large. Kinda makes me feel insignificant. I need to believe that my existence doesn't end when I die. Suspect many of you doubters may feel the same way when your time nears.
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« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2002, 10:34:47 AM »
Anyone else notice Rip is trying to sound like Confucious?

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« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2002, 10:52:19 AM »
These words of Christ are good in theory, bad in practice.  Subsitue the word cherish for the word love.  That is the original Greek, so I am told.

I can cherish others, until they do me harm.  Then I will remove them from the oxygen consumption cycle.
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« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2002, 10:52:32 AM »
Midnight Target,

Yes, I've noticed.  The question is "Is he succeeding?"


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« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2002, 10:55:06 AM »
According to Ripsnortus - "Me thinks you open mouth and engage without much background on the person to engage with."


I don't know. Kinda leans more toward Charlie Chan actually.

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« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2002, 11:15:49 AM »
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I need to believe that my existence doesn't end when I die. Suspect many of you doubters may feel the same way when your time nears.


 Probably those of us should engage in consumption of substances that are harmfull to brain - impure alcohol, sniffing solvents etc. That way we would not depend on accident of genetics causing our reasoning abilities to diminish with age.
 With reasoning abilities impaired the self-delusion would reign supreme and ensure the last few years are happier because of newly-acquired religious beliefs.

 Unless those years become living hell of fear - if some kind of scary vengefull deity worship gets inflicted on victims (that will also cause them to send their retirement money to some scoundrel promising salvation).

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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2002, 11:23:46 AM »
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 Probably those of us should engage in consumption of substances that are harmfull to brain - impure alcohol, sniffing solvents etc. That way we would not depend on accident of genetics causing our reasoning abilities to diminish with age.
 With reasoning abilities impaired the self-delusion would reign supreme and ensure the last few years are happier because of newly-acquired religious beliefs.

 Unless those years become living hell of fear - if some kind of scary vengefull deity worship gets inflicted on victims (that will also cause them to send their retirement money to some scoundrel promising salvation).

 miko


Somehow it seems that you are saying your reasoning ability prevents you from believing in that with which you have no experience. Is that a correct assumption on my part?
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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2002, 12:05:22 PM »
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BTW, I'm not actually a Christian, but I believe he did exist and his teachings are valid in some cases.


The question isn't if he existed or not. Jesus did exsist. And he was crucified. That is recorded history. The question is, if you believe he was the son of God or not.

There are lots of things in science that don't appear to hold up in the Bible (mostly the creation and old testament) but the old testament, I believe, was oral tradition for thousands of years before it was written down. The new testament (the story of Jesus and the birth of Christianity) is much much better recorded in history. The first of the gospels was only a few decades after his death.

Anyway, back to the old testament. There is an incredible amount of interpretation from different translations and lots of symbolic meaning that shouldn't be taken literally. I find the old testament very hard to read and understand.

I believe that the Bible and science can live in harmony. No where does it state that humans did not evolve, or that there isn't life outside of the Earth, etc..

The generally accepted big bang theory sounds a whole lot like the story of creation. Scientists believe that before the universe there was nothing. Null. Then, in an instant, BAM something came into being. Even in this gigantic explosion there was no light. Then, BAM!, light!

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There is no Christian god.


I'm interested in hearing what god you think there is.

Anyone who doesn't believe, try reading a gospel. Not to make you a believer, but at least to see what all the fuss is about. The first gospel recorded, Mark, is the shortest, and has a rough literal style, but it's written by someone who has seen first hand the enormity of what happened.

Jesus was a great person, without equal then and now. Whether you believe he was Christ or not is totally up to you.

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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2002, 12:51:48 PM »
Ok but who made god and who made him and so on.

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« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2002, 01:08:56 PM »
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« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2002, 01:37:21 PM »
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Somehow it seems that you are saying your reasoning ability prevents you from believing in that with which you have no experience. Is that a correct assumption on my part?


 I am not sure what you mean by term "experience" in that particular question.

 If it refers to specific knowlege of religion - it's tenets, texts, rituals and close association with religious people, including multiple presence during rituals - then I do have it and quite a lot with at least three religions (greek-ortodox, catholicism and judaism) and fairly familiar with several more.
 So your question would not be valid and you would have to rephrase it.

 If you mean that I have not experienced religious belief - that would be mostly correct. I say "mostly" because in my younger years I did have certain superstitions which in my view qualify as a religious experience.

 Let me state my position as clear as I can. I do believe that being religious would potentially make person's (my) life happier - especially if I encounter some devastating experience or my level of anxiety goes up significantly for some reason. I do see some survival disadvantages in being a religious person but they probably do not outweight the advantages imparted by faith.

 So if offered a way to acquire faith, I would seriously consider it and at some times during my life I would probably have accepted it readily.
 I certainly gave people (and authors) many opportunities to convince me in the validity of their beliefs and so far they have failed. I believe more reasonable natural explanations exist or may exist for the phenomena they claim to explain by divine intervention.

 It is not possible for a person to acquire faith in something he/she did not believe in before just by the act of volition, no matter how much he/she appreciates the utility of such acquisition.

 Incidentally, I (curently) do not have a slightest issue with comprehension of my mortality. I am pretty happy right now and my life has been so full that I am getting bored with things and even a bit tired.

 Some times I catch myself thinking "oh, well, it's only about thirty more years of that stuff and responcibilities and then the welcome oblivion...". Not in any kind of negative meaning but very similar to a thought "I've had a great day but now I am looking forward to going to sleep". Not yet but I keep that in mind.
 Oblivion does not scare me. Why should it? It's like a dreamless sleep or unconciousness, only without end.
 BTW, somehow most people who are afraid of death (most of them belong to religions with quite pleasant afterlife, which is very illogical of them) are wasting most of this life with time-killing (in)activities and spend the other part worrying about it being too short.

 You may be surprised how much people differ that claim to belong to the same religion. Most of those I met just claim to be religious, participate in some rituals and hope for good afterlife but their actions - and mostly inactions - completely contradict their beliefs. Not used to employ reason, they do not even try to reconcile that and get upset when I bring up inconcistencies in their behavior.
 I found a huge difference between precious few people who believe in a word of Christ and those who believe in a word of their preacher. Both kinds claim to be christians but they could not be more different.

 miko

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« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2002, 01:40:25 PM »
What would Ozzy do?

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« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2002, 02:00:47 PM »
WWJD? probably slap u around then say something to the effect of "WHAT ARE U THINKING "OH OK LETS BASE OUR LIFE ON 4 LETTERS" handsomehunk":D

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« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2002, 02:12:37 PM »
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What would Ozzy do?


Continue to let the dog crap on the floor, and continue to abuse drugs hidden from wife and children...