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Offline Willi Winzig

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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2002, 11:51:33 AM »
I agree. The current setting simulates a pilot who has his eyes closed. I think it would be fair to have a pilot with eyes open.
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2002, 02:01:35 PM »
Willi, you need to check your facts on how a real bomb run happened.  The pilot didn't steer.  If you think about it, how could the pilot be steering while the bombadier was also trying to steer to aim.... hate to break it to you so obviously.  In the bombsight use the rudder, it works perfectly for steering, maybe even better than in the pilots seat.

Steering as a defense is of pretty limited use anyway, it used to be a much better method but now with the drones flying along in formation your ability to turn sharply and not lose the drones is almost zero, certainly not enough to offer a sustained and credible defense.

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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2002, 05:43:44 PM »
BGBMAW
its been almost impossible to bomb as a rook for the last tour and a half. I know you dont understand that..
Since you brought up sodas bomber stats as if they were important compared to yours...
Sodas damage per death rank for tour 31 was number 1 in the game.
his damage per sorti rank was number 2 for that tour
his hit %(833%) was number 2 in the game.

The knights have been vulching us since that time..
Your ranks for the same tour were 503, 507 and 920 respectivly
Your bomber rank was 759. His was 13
He accomplished this with 9 sorties probably 3 3 plane sortis.
You accomplished this with 178 sortis

« Last Edit: October 17, 2002, 05:46:39 PM by Pongo »

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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2002, 06:24:01 PM »
ah jis lik ta shot yew bomers down, its reel purdy

Offline Willi Winzig

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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2002, 09:32:46 AM »
@Soda

I dare to repeat I agree. :D

Steering while in bomb sight is not the best thing one can do. AH is quite correct in this.
The problem is control of altitude and speed. And I think in RL a pilot did a rather good job as a "smart autopilot".

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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2002, 11:42:23 AM »
Pongo..not sure whatt aall that means...
I do know this..Im a dam good bomer......

So if I bomb a targte then run home...I can get a bettr ranking...Wee

I want to land with kills.....

If  die more then soda...well i like to vulch in my 17's after i drop...

These stats are funny..SO if i only do 9 sorties ..hit all my targets  and run home I too can be"on top"...lolol

and I do Know this....ALL i diddlyING WANT IS A Golly-gee AIR SPEED INDICATOR IN THE BOMSIGHT....

Is that so diddlying unfair ???


again Plain and simple.

..and IF you going to cry as a rook..."Its almost impossible for us to bomb"...Im not sure why.u have same plane s as us....But again..I wouldnt understand.and I do Know this....ALL i diddlyING WANT IS A Golly-gee AIR SPEED INDICATOR IN THE BOMSIGHT....

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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2002, 12:33:41 PM »
Did you make a funny face while you typed that?
Or spit on your monitor?
STFU dweeb.

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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2002, 01:26:16 PM »
lol i think its funny....

I could care less....

We should all have our pictures next to our names so we can see who the real dweebs are..lolo

Ok..All of the AH peopl are....

I was making a rquest and asking why not to have Speed calibrations in f6 view...

Pongo...is that so hard?

Whe n soda say s its non historical..I say hes Wrong...And he is.

Yes It may not have shown up in a didgital display...

BUT he did have accese while boming to see calbration speed and current speed...

Why must you bring up your own countires short falls to this thread??

"almost impossible for us to bomb"....

loll

On another topic...if you are a rook..and your tulips are getting kiked...and you dont want to lose.///Go  Kill barraks...

and  PONGO...again..this game has never made me angry at other peopl..other then my self for either hiting ground or not loading boms on my plane....


So in a nice way..."piss off and dont respond if you dont agree"....lolol come on just kidding...
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2002, 01:26:49 PM »
BGBMAW:
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well i like to vulch in my 17's after i drop...


And I actually tried to help someone who ackstars....... silly me :)  If you're that low why even bother using the bombsight, you can simply jabo drop or ram things.... do you strafe GV's too?  Especially Ostwinds, those are real fun to strafe at 50ft above the ground.

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SO if i only do 9 sorties ..hit all my targets and run home I too can be"on top"...


You don't hit your targets, look at your hit%, which is totally unrelated to any deaths stats.  It's a absolute measure of how skilled you are in hitting targets.  Tour 33, 193rd overall, pretty good.  Tour 32, 558th overall, well maybe it was a bad month.  Tour 31, 907th overall... yikes, did you hit anything?

Having a good bomber rank is really tough, and is a result of accurate bombing, and living to tell about it.  I don't ackstar since fighter kills, when I fly bomber, are only intended in defense.  If I want to kill fighters I'm a little smarter and fly a fighter, not a bomber, which is intended to, quite obviously, drop bombs.  Maybe you didn't realize how that whole part of the game works....

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ALL i WANT IS A .....


It wouldn't help you anyway.  You'd still calibrate at top speed and not be able to match that on the drop.  Plus, I figure you want a digital readout, not a dial on a speedo since you can't seem to use the speedo in the cockpit successfully...

Finally, learn how to spell, or at least type, and you don't honestly need to bold and capitalize every whine... it does help in identifying the chaff though so I can skip those parts more easily.  While you're at it, ask for a belly mounted 105mm howitzer for your ackstaring, it'll help.

Tried to help, but for some people it's hopeless.  

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« Last Edit: October 18, 2002, 01:59:50 PM by Soda »

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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2002, 02:04:20 PM »
Giving buffs the ability to hit what they aim at isn't a bad thing.

A digital speed readout would allow for precision drops, but would hardly be a return to laser bombing.  Hitting what you're aiming at and continuing on is what bomber should be in AH.  What bombers SHOULDN'T do is drop a bomb, make a 90 degree turn, and drop another with perfect precicion the moment after leveling out.  A large high resolution analog speed display would work too.  The problem with the speedometers we have is that they're incredibly low resolution.  A change of 2-3mph is completly unnoticable on the guage.

Or, some kind of fuzziness in the bombsight when it comes to speed might be a good solution.  You calibrate, get a certain speed, and as long as you stay within a few mph of that, your bombsight will be the precision bombsight.  Turn or change your speed more than a little bit, and you need to recalibrate.

A half a dozen lancs bomb a field, total damage is one fuel bunker, the radar, and a couple of guns.  

Untill something is done about buffs, just grab a 110, a20, mosquito, tiffie, or any of the other assorted heavy jabos.  They're all much faster, much more reliable, more survivable, flexible, and can inflict as much or more damage in x amount of time as a bomber.

Oh, and BGBMAW, Try using a spellchecker, and taking an english class.  

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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2002, 03:45:23 PM »
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A half a dozen lancs bomb a field, total damage is one fuel bunker, the radar, and a couple of guns.


And as long as bomb craters are just painted on the ground, so that a plane taxiing along a strip of thousand-pound-bomb craters has a nice, smooth surface to roll on, that's pretty much all you're going to get, too.

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« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2002, 04:20:37 PM »
lolo i new u guys would lighten up..lolo

Im waiting for Aces High Spell check...

English class?? thts for sissies

Soda........I usually bomb form 13.9k..to 25 k...

So when im empty..I dont care too much for ranking..I dive down in formation for Chasen u silly ftrs in my DEATHSTAR....I was strfen a bunch of LVTs the ohter day ..after i Sunk there CV..they hated me..at an udefended base...

I have been getting UPD boots almost everyday I fly.....not sure if htis effects my ranking..sorties...

if you notice my total hours boming..HUGE..i do house chores and businees while my bomers grab to alt......

I also will up a buff at a capped airfield..salvo my boms on runway and shhot down a bunch of none knowing how to attks ftrs:)

so ranking may go to hell when u are slavoin boms on Runway

1 More thing SODA ILL MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR!!!!!!





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It wouldn't help you anyway. You'd still calibrate at top speed and not be able to match that on the drop. Plus, I figure you want a digital readout, not a dial on a speedo since you can't seem to use the speedo in the cockpit successfully...


Well smart ass.....you are not undserstanding or reading my ENGALISh...heheh spelling i know

I want a speed read out of 1) what sped u are currentl
                                            2) what speed u calibrated at...

PLAIN and SIMPLE....Dam im repeating my self...

if its dial gauge or digital..i could care less...hell it could be u sitting behind me calling out speeds(are u a good aerial gunner)?:)

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but to try to keep it realistic....how about a B-25H wit the 75 mil cannon in nose:)..or the He129..with cannon in nose:)

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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2002, 05:29:19 PM »
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English class?? thts for sissies
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Well smart ass.....you are not undserstanding or reading my ENGALISh...heheh spelling i know
 


Two points,
First, that isn't english.  Second, when you make an idiot of yourself, it really kills any argument you're trying to make.  You can't expect someone to take you seriously when you don't understand the concept of punctuation, or make an attempt at spelling things right.

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« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2002, 06:29:42 PM »
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Giving buffs the ability to hit what they aim at isn't a bad thing.


My arguement is I think they can with enough practice and through allowing a little flexibility in tactics.  I feel comfortable when I bomb, even knocking out acks from alt, but I think there are a large number of people who have found it daunting.  I watched a group of 5 formations of B-17's attack a medium field the other night with pitiful results.  They basically all missed, even using carpet bombing.  I do agree accurate bombing is tough, I know, I spent likely 50 offline sorties getting it down to a pattern, then improved that so I could handle unexpected things (like losing/gaining speed).  It's tough though, but I really don't think putting a digital speedo in the bombsight is the answer.  The layout of targets in AH is bad too, bombers are not terribly effective against airfields because they are not laid out in such a fashion to allow good one pass bombing.

Overall, most bomber pilots need more practice though, and the game needs some better area targets for them to hit (ones that actually mean something).  Half of the last 2 or 3 tours the strat on some maps has been totally screwed up too, which sucks.  Even when it's not screwed up, the usefulness of bombing strat targets is low.

BGBMAW,
  You are likely a hero to bomber'ackstar-dweebs everywhere.  You run the gauntlet in admitting to using every marginal, or totally unrealistic, tactic in the bomber repertoire.  Ackstarring, runway bombing, airfield vulching, shooting GV's... it almost makes me weep to think that HTC implemented the code that would stop you from bombing while parked on the runway.  That must have been a devastating day but at least I admire your honesty about your preferred tactics.

All this and then you ask for a realism:
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THE NORDEN BOMB SIGHT SHOWS SPEED BEFORE and after Calibration..


That's not the same as:

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I want a speed read out of 1) what sped u are currentl
2) what speed u calibrated at...


So, let me understand, one last time.  You want a speedo in the bombsight because:
1) the One in the cockpit is a key press away,. too far?
2) you plan on changing speeds while in the bombsight? why?
3) you think it will help defend against fighters?
4) you will use the speedo to know you are slow and to circle for another run?
5) so you can guess where to aim when your speed isn't the same as in calibration?

I can see all kinds of abuses for this, likely many of them could happen already, but I dare not even mention them here unless they become preferred tactics.

It's unfortunate that a spellchecker would likely delay your responses by a day or more.

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« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2002, 07:31:07 PM »
lol Soda ..u made me laff again with ur spelling at the end...

And dam man,,guys lay off the spelling..i just have limited time..its called Shorthand typing...lolol


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1) the One in the cockpit is a key press away,. too far?


Crap i hate this quote toejam...

ok ..heres answers to your 5 Questions

1)..going to the cockpit is too far.....Golly-geeMIT!!! I SAID I WANT  TWO diddlyING READOUTS!!!! 1 for current speed 1 for calibrated speed...I know u arent dumb...so why do you ask this question when i stated it MANY times in here....1 speed current..1 speed calibrated..

2) Changing Speeds in bom run....Well it would tell you if you have  increased/decreased speed on turns...Or after being attked

3) Defend against fiters...not sure how that would work..never heard of Airspeed indicators fighting back..but...ok

4) Circle Around if im too slow.....Of course I would abort if i knew my calibration wasnt right....thats the whole point of having the Speed indicators

5) Well you could estimate where to drop..but I dont like estimating...I like Precision..You know the Norden Sight saying"Hit a Picklebarrle form 20 k"..:)

So I think we are getting closer of you agreeing (spelling)? that we do need and would be a great addition of having 2 airspeed indicaotrs in thebomsight.....Thank you

As for Innom...and my spelling and killing my arguments....not gonna say much except..If you cant understand it...dont reply..."i call it AH short hand...like ..lmfao..lol brb afk..cc. wtf...and of course..STFU..:...lolo:)

I dont have an argument..its a statement of fact....

If we had 2 airspeed indicators in the Bomsigths 1 for current speed ..and one for calibrated speed...) Just like the 2 differnt Altitudes they show...Calibrated alt and current alt....

Love You all   (especially when u in front of my plane)

BiGB

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P.S.  You are making me laff..."im a hero to all Ackstar dweebs"

untrue...ever heard of the YB-17?? It was a GunShip..in WW2...true not much used but it did fly and kill.....