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Offline BGBMAW

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« on: October 15, 2002, 03:09:51 PM »
PLEASE ..Please HTC......

Put the speed you calibrated at in the f6 view..

And also include your current speed in the same  Bomsite view....


Would be a tremendous help....


Any reason why not too??

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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2002, 08:49:42 AM »
I second this.

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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2002, 09:20:55 AM »
Agree with the idea, but maybe a red/green/blue, (over/correct/under) light, or a centering needle, would seem more WWII than a digital display.
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2002, 12:16:10 PM »
hell yes

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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2002, 01:36:20 PM »
Please!
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2002, 02:13:59 PM »
Sounds like your asking to have it so you can bomb accurately and not have to maintain a constant speed.... you'd only need to maintain it for a brief second while you dropped your bombs.  Doesn't sound like a great step forward to me, quite the opposite.

Don't you calibrate early at constant speed now?  Why would you want to change speeds and not have to recalibrate?  Sounds like it'd be a game concession or something that isn't required.

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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2002, 02:25:28 PM »
Soda..go to hell..........


Answer 1.....

Dont you calibrate at a constant speed now?

Yes I try...but if you just got done climbing or..you hvae to make a large turn..your speed can be thrown off....//

Soda..How do you kno wwhen ua re at a constant speed?

Only way i know is Full throttel for a long time....keeping an eye on a Zoomed up close ASI is roadkill..wacthing the little white arm move a milimeter is ridicluos

Answer 2

Why would you want to change speeds and not recalibrate?

Well 2 things.......My bellybutton is getting shot at while in scope..I lose an  engine....Would be much easier to recalbrate at a KNOWN speed then to wait another 20 miles for your speed to settle after losing an engine.

2nd...Somtimes you dont have the choice on changing speeds...


Game Consession??...Do you know anything about a norden bomb site??...It tells you what speed you are at ..and what speed you calibrated at....Plain and simple...

The Higher Alt..the more crtical it becomes of airpseed and calibration...


1 more thing..Explain how this would be a step backwards...a hole....


Sorry but u piss me off..wheh you say stupid things..especilly about Bomers..which i have spent a good deal of time in....

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2002, 02:30:04 PM »
Soda..after reviewing your last 3 months of Boming..I feel you really dont have too much experince in Buffs...so sorry for any verbal abuse you  may have felt...Btu Go to hell....you barely bom....

LMFAO!!!!!!!!.."You only need to maintain it for a Brief Second when boming" (constant speed).....Soda..u really dont buff often ..it shows with thta statemnet..

This would be so true...IF WE HADE CALIBRATION SPEEDS SHOWN IN BOMERS SITE!!!


Thank you....


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« Last Edit: October 16, 2002, 02:32:43 PM by BGBMAW »

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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2002, 02:48:55 PM »
here's a point.

You have a formation of buffs, a perfect calibration.  Some plane comes by and kills the lead buff.  Your drones now jump around, your speed changes, and your calibration is worthless.

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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2002, 03:34:43 PM »
excatly...Inno.:)

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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2002, 06:41:12 PM »
BGBMAW, take your meds..... and then grow up.  Starting something as "GO TO Hell" simply doesn't show a level of maturity.  Still, let me try and help:

I do agree the bomber formation stuff screws things up, but that's a problem with the drones being stupid and trying to follow a mortally wounded lead bomber.  It screws up both speed and altitude to be honest, and I've had bombers drop 500ft on me by the time I wrestle control back, and level smoothly enough so the remaining drone doesn't disco below me.  The dumb drone thing is really a bummer though since the only time the lead falls out of formation is when it's critically killed, which is easy to detect and should be compensated for by the other drones (ie, if you see the leaders wing fall off it doesn't mean to follow his death plunge).

You really want to know my trick, it's not to calibrate at 100% throttle... it's stupid to do that since it's almost impossible to maintain that speed if ANYTHING happens.  It takes too frick'n long to accelerate that last 20mph if you get slow, and any maneuver you do bleeds off that speed.  Instead, calibrate at a lower speed.  You are incorrect that it's impossible to do that, it is totally possible.  The key, as you point out, is that the speedo is too tough to read, even if you zoom in on it.  At best you are likely only accurate within 10-15mph.  Also, because it takes so long for the bomber to show acceleration/deceleration trends, once you jump to the bombsight you may be missing a speedo change.

So, here's what I do (and you are wrong that I haven't bombed a lot, I have, just not in the MA with a squad that doesn't bomb).  Climb to alt, and calibrate at 70-80% throttle, noting the speed you achieve and manifold pressure for that speed/alt.  Then, don't change alt but you can change speed all you want.  Throttle up to 100% and cruise in.  It's 100 times easier to slow to calibration speed than accelerate though at least when you have an extra 10% of excess throttle you have a chance to fairly quickly accelerate back up to calibration vs no hope at 100%.  Just before you jump into the bomb-sight, cut your throttles until you get close to your calibrated speed (like I said, maybe between 10-15mph is as close as you can tell without a magnifying glass).  Then immediately set the throttles back to your calibration setting by watching the manifolds and getting them back to your calibration cruise settings.  It's easy to see those, and they are way more responsive than watching the speedo. From that point on, you know your plane is tending towards your calibration speed since your throttles are at the same setting that gave your calibration speed in the first place.

It's super easy to try this offline, that's how I figured it out, and it made me FAR better able to react to getting jumped my planes and messing up a fragile calibration.  The 20mph of speed I lose by throttling back on my run makes little difference 90% of the time.  If anything it actually allows me slightly more time over target to set up my fine aim, rather than racing over at top speed.  I also know I can fairly quickly accelerate a bit if I'm slowed since I don't need to eek every last mph of speed out of the bomber.  Anything trying to get the last 10% of speed out of is a squeak, even a fighter, so why set yourself up for that.  It also allows me to guess my speedo only reasonably accurately and then use the manifold to control my true speed so that it'll average out to my calibration point.  It gives me a % of error room on both the fast, and slow, sides of the calibration speed, knowing the manifold setting, since I knew what it was, is compensating automatically either way for me.

btw, you didn't check my stats very well.  Post bomber calibration (after tour 28), I was an excellent bomber.  Tour 30, I was 34th overall in damage/death, 37th overall in damage/sortie, and 3rd overall in hit %.  The next tour, 31, I was 1st overall in damage/death, 2nd overall in damage/sortie, and 2nd overall in hit %.  I say that qualifies me as a pretty fine bomber pilot, one that hits targets, with lots of bombs, and doesn't die a lot.  Quality has a lot to be said over quantity, and it's pretty obvious from the stats that my quality is pretty damn superior.  Last tour I didn't fly much, had a new baby to take care of and couldn't take the time to fly bombers... had to go for the instant action furball thing that I could walk away from at a moments notice and not worry about investing any time in bombing.

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« Last Edit: October 16, 2002, 07:29:45 PM by Soda »

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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2002, 07:32:02 PM »
WTG Soda on handling that maturely.  He should probably visit English class and learn to spell correctly before he starts verbally abusing people.

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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2002, 07:35:13 PM »
ehhhhh ...

Soda...maturity...LOLO  I guess you have to have more of a humor to understand me...

Im just fukn around.."GO tO Hell"..its a frikn game..:)

I still dont think your way is the best....yes it can work..but....

I know ...again..THE NORDEN BOMB SIGHT SHOWS SPEED BEFORE and after Calibration....VERY SIMPLE...Period


as for going in at slower speeds....yes tht would work....BUT!!!!!


Are you Honestly saying Showing Speed in Bomr view is not right and  it is wrong??  Why?? you said Gaming the Game?


And where the hell are you boming if not in MA..CT??

and I could crap on your offline boming..no one is shooting your bellybutton down..lololol:)

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2002, 08:38:52 AM »
And don't forget: in RL the pilot was still on duty when the bomb sight was in use. In AH the bomb sight should simulate both positions at a certain degree. Best would be a speed/altitude auto pilot with full authority of rudder/aileron (or whatever the actual setting is) and a digital speed indicator.
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2002, 10:36:29 AM »
Willi,
  The current implementation does give some simulation of both positions, you can use the rudder to turn, and adjust throttle from the bombsight position.  In real life, the pilot couldn't manueuver when on the final bombing run, and that's the same in here.  You really don't want to adjust your throttles though.... but a bit of steering with rudder is totally fine.

BGBMAW,
I just find that showing bomber speed as a digital readout on the bombsight seems rather non-historical, and having a dial-speedo would lead to the same inaccuracies as looking at the one in the cockpit.  It's sort of a catch 22 situation.  If you add a digital speedo in the bombsight then you end up with a situation where you can laser-bomb again, because the only two factors in accuracy are altitude (which is digitally displayed) and speed (which also would be).... yeah, wind plays a factor, but I think the whole wind thing is broken anyway with these instant wind layers (another topic).  It's pretty clear that historical bombing was not terribly accurate from high altitude, but I think we can get at least that level of accuracy with the current system.  Unfortunately, the targets in the MA are not layed out very well for carpet style bombing (ie, you almost need laser bombing to really be effective).

If attacked on the final bomb run, in my method, I can jump to gunners positions without fear that my speed is wrong.  Infact, once the manifold is set I know that the longer I go without dropping bombs the better my speed is going to match my calibration speed.  I freely defend myself, popping in and out of the bombsight waiting to get to release point.  That said, losing an engine will instantly throw off my speed, and I can only hope to firewall the throttles and maintain something close to what I calibrated at.  It tends to work for me, though I do instantly set max salvo and simply carpet bomb.  Maneuvering a bomber for defense when on a bombing run is nothing historical, and I never do that (and I never did even when it was possible).

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